Domonique Foxworth

There's more of that, for the record. I mean, I'm disappointed that you didn't prep me, and I couldn't listen to that beforehand. Because, like, he went so many different places. Yes, and landed at Good Parenting.

I mean, maybe I don't know what's on this Tumblr, but I would just assume it's, like, a list of the best songs to, like, have sex to. That's why I went. Yeah. I feel like that's romantic. Like, you put some effort in.

What?

I think I got to the bottom of this whole thing. Where we started with the playlists. This might be an off-camera conversation.

Maybe people wasn't looking for Les Miserables. Maybe people was looking... I don't follow. Okay. It's possible that people you know wanted somebody who was listening to stuff about guns and drugs.

You know what I mean. Yes. In everything that I do, I hope it's clear that I've never seen Les Miserables, particularly that. I would like it to be known. I want to leave. Having that be, I don't want it to come up. Like the whole date, whatever we're doing, I don't want Les Miserables to come up.

But immediately after, while I'm in clarity, I want her to be like, oh, I bet this mother ain't never seen Les Miserables.

It gives us cover for all the other... Absolutely.

Even your own father.

You know what the problem is. Never mind. What's the problem? The music creates an expectation. And when you're listening to songs about people putting it down in various ways, whether it's an upbeat song, whether it's a slow song, Whether it's sensual, whether it's strong and delicate at the same time, like the music can tell you what we're looking for.

But it was you who were uncomfortable.

No, it's... Yeah, I've experienced... both and they seem different though but I guess there is some clarity clarity in both I think that some people say they think in the shower I feel like there is a heart rate where I feel like my brain works better and I have

So it's just they use big words and you bought it because actually the hormones, that sounds real too. There are lots of syllables across all of these theories. Oh, the more syllables, the more true it feels.

Our rational brain starts just humming again. It's just like you are, which this makes sense. I think we hyperbolize this a bit, but it's like I'm in this state most of the time. Then you get aroused and you... and that's when you actually turn into the Hulk and you don't think clearly.

And then the come down from that is just you are returning to your normal state so quickly that you're like, oh, who was that guy? Where like the buildup to that is slower. You're like, you look up and you didn't see yourself become the Hulk, but you became the Hulk. And then all of a sudden in a split second, you're back to normal, which that probably makes more sense than anything.

The fact that it's almost, I mean, literally instantaneous. Because I think the belief is that you're clearer than you ever are in those moments after. Yes. But you're not, you're arguing, which I think I agree with, is no, you're not clearer than you ever are. You just return from fog to clarity in such a rapid motion that you now, yeah, you appreciate the difference.

And it's possible that you got a blockbuster soundtrack, but a made for TV movie.

So you believe the Japanese in that you can reach some heightened level of clarity that you can't reach any other time.

Yeah, that's really what the clarity is indicating. But, I mean, I think that we would all agree that, I guess, eating, aside from eating, for most animals, procreation is, like, the strongest impulse. If you remove that from your brain, is your brain freer to... think clearly. Yeah, that seems reasonable. This is a complete tangent, but Japanese is not like a Latin-based language.

You're stuck on that Taimou thing. Yeah, Taimou felt like completely inconsistent. It feels like you did some pseudo research you're doing. I don't trust... Taimou? Really? That's how they say time? It did occur to me.

Yeah, I feel like we need to pause to get to the bottom of this. Is Taimou... I mean, Japanese is not... Am I right? Am I wrong? No, I had the same thought. All the like Western languages that we like... They're all based on, like, Latin, right? Oh, you know what?

Okay, cool, cool, cool.

It is. Philosophy time. This sounds like a whole nother episode. This is why you want to have me on all the time.

I think that the benefit from this is understanding that PNF exists. I think that's the fog. Fog. Yeah. That's the... Pre-nut fog. Yeah. You can't do anything about the way that you work, but you can be aware of it and you can make others aware of it to the degree that it matters in your behavior.

So now I get why you refuse to accept my theory. It's important that your theory be true so that you can get these jack-off stations all around the world. Just so you can go in and think clearly. Because I don't believe that everyone needs to whack off in order to operate at their highest level. I don't believe in Kenja Taimu.

I don't think that you are in some enlightened state, higher enlightenment. I think that what you are feeling is the drastic drop from fog to clarity. And I think when you are... I would believe that you might be at risk for getting foggier if you are not in that state, but I don't think that you are now clearer.

Nah, I think you had, I think you queued up John Williams and maybe you was giving a little Action Jackson. Like you wasn't giving a real action movie. Like it was playing action music in the background. But you was giving a talkie. It was just out here. I was out here doing some fucking Charlie Chaplin. You was Charlie Chaplin-ing when the music was suggesting that she was about to get taken.

So a lot of this portion of this has just been kind of half-joking about post-nut clarity. And it's a sensation that I think guys are familiar with, but I think it's probably, it seems to me a bit nonsensical to think that while you're out there playing baseball or playing any sport that whatever you did an hour prior or two hours prior has you in some state of mind that is even calmer or better?

You're damn right. So this is not my show, so I don't care that you tie it up.

And nope, you stop. Your honor. You stop. You can edit it out if you want to, but I demand my time. This is not my show, so I do not care. Reclaim your time, boo. I do not care if you tie it up in a nice pretty bow the way that you want it to be. I know that that was meant to prove your case, but I was looking at the scoreboard on those clips. Yeah, just a series of game-winners.

Yeah, some of them were in the 10th inning. Yes, and that's the most impressive part of it. Clutch time. Clutch time. I know, but assuming it was before the game, I'm assuming that it's not just before he walks out on the field, so 30 minutes, hour before the game, that man's refractory period can't be that bad. No. Like, what are we talking about?

I guess you could argue that it puts him in the proper state of mind for the beginning of the game, and he can do some sort of mental exercises to stay in that game, stay in that state of mind for the entire game. So you're saying the seventh inning stretch should be something else also? Stop it. This is horse s***. I might have been able to go along with you. You know where you made your mistake.

You time-moved me. If you would have kept it with real Japanese words, I might have believed it because nothing like an ancient Japanese proverb to get people to believe that something is real. But you hit me with a time-move. I was like, what is time-move?

So how long does post-nut clarity last for you? Ooh. PNC. I'm tired of saying it. I know.

You're pretending to feel gross.

Yeah, maybe I have a different experience than you. Okay, what's yours? The clarity is the moments after, the few minutes after, and then I feel normal again. Yeah, it's not like that immediate, like, cold water. Like, oh, wake up. That's what I got. That is a few minutes after, and then I feel like myself again.

I was... You wasn't giving.

Yeah, I think my walk around is a little cooler than your walk around. I think generally I got a cooler walk around. My Hulk and Bruce are closer to each other on the map. You're like smart Hulk. Or dumb Bruce.

Me neither. Yeah, I like where we ended up. Old classic Pablo jump pass.

And taking your hat on and off. Do you want to explain how we came up with the subject of today's show? Well, we didn't come up with the subject of today's show. Every conversation that you have in your life, and I've complained about this before, you're just mining your friends and people in your life for content.

They have great sex, I'm sure. They're just so, like, comfortable with each other. Yeah, they're just so much cooler than me, is one thing. They're so comfortable with each other and comfortable with this conversation. I see my people when I... I recognize my people when I see my people. What, good sex-havers? Just people who are confident and comfortable.

It would be ridiculous for us to think that their experience was completely different from ours, but it seems like there's something to it for them. Even though she was kind of... It felt like... Megan was dismissing it to some degree. She then went on to kind of explain clearing of mental space and understanding that it does something to you.

Men and women are so incompatible in some ways. Because what she's describing is kind of the opposite. Right. You know, like, I mean, I guess to some degree when you're with someone who you really want to be with, you're like, it's more of a content, but it's not like emotionally moved to tears. Like, it's not like, oh my gosh, I love you so much. It's more like... All right. Yeah.

Maybe it's a stretch, but like it does also feel like a clarity. They've cleaned the windshield or they've removed the fog and they just see something differently or they see something different than what we would see. Or, you know, it's like it's now clear to see what is most important to you, which is where we kind of started.

Why you were saying part of what you think about is like being a good parent. Like, this is a time where everything is kind of clear in my mind and I can see the things that are most important. And that's, like, for you, it's parenting and writing emails, apparently. But for them, it's their emotional connection, which, like, as gross as part of this episode has been, like, it's beautiful.

It's beautiful for them and for anybody who feels that.

And generally, I mean, I think... This is called good profile or essay writing, Pablo. Like this is this is a thing that's about that pretends to be about this small insignificant thing, which is really about like the human experience. Isn't that what all great award winning essays are about? You just made an award winning podcast, Pablo. Be proud of it. Yes.

And also, like, you're getting paid for it, and you also have edit power. So if you're uncomfortable with how this went, imagine how I am. I did this for free, and who knows what parts of this you're going to show. So I don't know. I'm trusting you. This is called being a friend. I try to be the best friend that I can be. I try to be the best analyst I can be.

Every conversation that you and I have becomes a show. And if I can't be on it, you just get somebody else to talk about it. Like you just, you milk me and I am nervous when I'm talking to you. Like, oh my gosh, whenever I talk to Pablo, whatever I say is going to,

Try to be the best lover that I can be. And it's something that you should, I mean, just be the best at everything. That's all.

You couldn't get out of here with it. You pretend like you are uncomfortable with all this stuff, but you're really just gross. You like to be gross. I actually am not uncomfortable with the conversation, but I'm actually a little bit concerned with how it's going to turn out. You don't give a shit. You're pretending like you are so that I feel comfortable, but you don't give a shit.

Can we hear Uno Deuce One again? No.

like is he actually listening to me or is he taking notes i am definitely editing in my head while we're talking like oh that would be that could be c-sec for today's show so we hung out a couple weeks ago and we were eating and i feel like you're the one who sparked the thought in my mind i don't know how we got to the story i remember exactly how we got to the beginning of this right

Keeping the mind sharp, baby. I mean, it's your show.

Only one person can leave, Pablo.

Have you gotten Orlando Cabrera to verify this? we are actively pursuing Orlando Cabrera. Well, because I mean, I feel like we should be, we don't have to talk about it because the conversation doesn't have to be about Orlando Cabrera, but that is how we got into it.

But I would feel bad spreading this if it's not something that is actually something that he's okay with owning up to or has, you know,

I don't know. I mean, nothing that I knew of. So the locker room is a very intimate place. So like guys would be very comfortable talking about all types of things and doing all types of things that you wouldn't be comfortable with in other situations when you go on road trips.

particularly locker rooms are very small sometimes the stalls don't have doors on them and stuff and like yeah people are comfortable doing the things that they have to do uh no one's ever done been that damn comfortable i i i don't know that anyone does it or doesn't like guys had sex night before games and stuff like that for sure and no one cared but yeah it's not it never really came up

It's natural. It's a thing that everyone likes to do. I mentioned to Pablo that I had a running joke with one of my friends is that there should be, before you make any major decisions, you should go ahead and get yourself to that state of mind where you are the clearest. And now for the men who are listening to this show, they know exactly what I'm talking about.

I don't know if women feel the same way, but there's this feeling where you just see the world more clearly. And... Historically, in sports, we've always heard that you should not have sex close to a game or close to any competition. It's like an old boxing thing.

Yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me for us to try to figure out the best ways, and there's nothing, I think, that we feel that controls us more than, like, how you behave in those times and how it impacts the way that you think and operate.

Bodily function is the wrong word. Looking for another masturbation euphemism? No, no, no. I'm definitely... I've had more than enough of that. I hate that about this episode. But I do think that I am looking for another human experience that feels more all-encompassing. Even eating doesn't feel like that, and that seems very core. There's nothing else I think that...

you feel like your whole body is sort of like drugs. It's not like your whole body is involved. So yeah, it's going to affect the way that you do anything.

And it's like, it's different for a different man, I think, probably. But you walk around much of your life feeling like the Hulk. But you know what? Sometimes you need Bruce Banner. You need the mild-mannered scientist to come out and help guide you through some tough decisions and situations.

And I think some men can relate that the worst decisions that you have made have been because you were angry. acting like the Hulk. And not every situation requires Hulk smash. Some situations require Bruce think.

Yeah, I've heard of it.

We've talked about this.

I like the philosophers that you are consulting on this. That's right. Drake and Weezy, the whole Cash Money crew. What does Baby got to say? Slim? What does Slim say about this? I don't know. Juvie?

So I remember like when my oldest daughter was eight years old and she busted another girl's lip because she was trying like she was trying to get a rebound. I remember celebrating her and then taking her home to watch Charles Oakley videos like the difference, the difference in that in that age of of sports for boys and girls. A lot of times the difference is like

just want to like fight and try hard. It was like, yeah. And they get, so they respond to, the way everyone else acts. And when there's a foul in the boys' games, it's a lot different when there was a foul in the girls' games. And I just was trying to encourage them to be a little bit more aggressive and feisty. So I did not yell why. I stood up and started clapping, like, she all right?

All right. She all right? Good. Let's keep playing. You get a little lip bust. And it was probably good for her, too. Like, my daughter's got elbowed in the eye last week. You know what she did? She got up. She kept balling, and I was very proud of that.

I have unique experience. So, like, I never say – I coach my son's football team, so that's very different. But, like, through my whole sports parenting career, I just am very quiet and I don't react to anything other than just, like, clap. I don't, like, cheer for individuals on the team. Like, it's just my sports parent rules. I don't begrudge anyone who does that.

But generally, like, I don't know. You ever, like, turn away?

It's normally just a clap, like, okay, okay, okay, no matter how intense the game is. And we got – my wife is a little bit different, even though she's not an athlete and she's not very much into sports, but she is very much into the kids' sports. And so we've had a couple near altercations where I had to stand up and be like –

look, this is not what we're going to do to, like, some opposing parents. Like, this is not what we're going to do. This is 12-year-old girl soccer. Relax. And then normally people respond accordingly, but, yeah, that's... I don't know. That's the worst possible thing is I don't want to be in a situation. And maybe this is just me being like self-conscious.

It's like I assume that people are looking at me. I don't want people to leave and be like, man, Dominique was real tough on his kid. Or that Foxworth guy was trying to fight the whole opposing fans and yelling at the refs. It's like when you go from watching Patrick Mahomes play, it feels kind of insane for this like guy on his second job reffing a game for me to start yelling at him.

Like, get it together. Guy's doing the best he can.

I know what you're doing, though. You're taking shots by talking to your kid. You're taking shots at the opposing team. Like, come on. You can beat them off the dribble. You can beat them off the dribble.

Don Levitard. I took my son to the barbershop to get a haircut, and my man gave out some limp dap.

Damn, damn, damn. Stugatz. I disowned him. I threw him right under the bus. I was like, whose kid is that out here dishing out limp dap?

We all are, man. It's going to be a fun game that we'll enjoy. It'll be a tremendous experience. Watch some commercials and all that stuff. I think Kendrick's going to win the Super Bowl. Kendrick Lamar, Super Bowl champion.

I don't know.

I shouldn't be talking. I haven't been introduced yet. My bad. I'll be quiet.

By Dan?

No, I think you guys misunderstand what Dan thinks is fun. Dan, like what you guys think is fun, not what Dan thinks is fun. Complaining? Oh, he's in his element. Dan is just going to be out there searching for some shit to go wrong so that he can then complain about it when he gets back. And he'll be so happy that he had some shit go wrong.

Charlie, my co-host, he flew to New Orleans yesterday and he was on the flight with Jane Daniels.

Oh, he said that he walked, it was Jaden and his mom, he said he walked up to Jaden and said, you changed my life.

If success was an indication that he might have earned, all because it feels like... Robert Kraft just talking bad about him behind closed doors. Like, that's shocking to me that no one would be willing. Because the owners don't like each other. Like, some of them like each other. I'm shocked that someone didn't just go hire him just to piss off Bob. Somebody hates Bob in there.

Dominique, it's a cartel. It's a cartel, Dominique. Oh, I thought you were going to mock me.

great the gangster the gangster shit sounds like mickey mouse in south park the last time that he did it was um one of last week's shows and we've added a new element to it it's now the hokey word play that's our new element that we've added to it is when he does like a double entendre type of situation yes Oh, I know this move.

I need a new I feel like we need a new idiom for that, like a more modern one. Sometimes with my friends, this is a secret that I'm going to tell you guys. Some of my friends, I ask for permission to take us back to the nineties, like in a group chat before I say something. I'm like permission to go back to the nineties. They grant the permission.

It's very much like a 50-year-old man trying to rap is what it comes off as.

I don't know if I can get my voice high enough.

Okay. When Dan was in China, he said he was walking at the Great Wall behind the souls of Michael Jordan at the place that took the soul out. out of Jordan, something like that. It was actually, that's actually a good example of it. I don't like that one, because that's actually really kind of cool.

But the other times, he was talking shit to me in text, and I said, agreed. And he was like, agreed, and then put a space between it and wrote, agreed.

I was like, yeah, like, no, no.

I text my group chat something that I would not say publicly, but I don't know the words for it right now. And then we return to 2024 or 2025 now. But I just realized with Chris, when I when I talk to him, I've been noticing like I listen to the show, I've been noticing that Chris's feels like he's become a little bit more forceful.

I wish I was down there now. I mean, I wanted to be down there before, but I never wish I was down there more than I did the last four or five minutes or so. Like... Now, I get, like, I think you guys are all tremendous. I will have one piece of criticism for the man in the middle chair.

Pablo, Pablo. Yeah. I'm gonna need you, like, at the next break. I'm going to need you to grab this show by the throat. The next segment, you need to have a real legitimate hardcore football or sports topic ready at some point. And you throw it in there, and then you spin off of the hardcore football topic into silliness, and then you bring it back to the hardcore sports topic.

It just feels like we out here willy-nilly right now, and I don't like willy or nilly.

Nope. Throw that out. I don't know what it is. If it's the Luca trade, the Aaron Fox trade, it's whatever you want. You got to find something and that's what you start with. Okay. Next segment, Pablo.

No, I never felt like there was any bias. And it's something that I don't know. I'm sure Amin has probably had this conversation with youth athletes also is like, who cares? It's out of your control. So I've never given it enough thought to think that anyone's cheating. Of course, there were bad calls in my favor and bad calls against us in every game that you play.

Yeah. And so, like, I came on and I was like, Chris, Proud of you, man. You seem like you grabbed your sack lately, which I realized, like, that's a bad thing to say because I see Jess in the back row, and, like, I feel the same way about Jess, but I can't tell her.

But it's something that's completely out of your control. And I assume that maybe it's not just an athlete thing, but I kind of feel that way generally about the world around me. It's like...

i don't know ain't gonna work out counterpoint let's storm the capital right like are you saying it's a 50 50 get back here dominique is that your point it all evens out in the end you just have to stick around no no it's it probably that's true but it's honestly it's like it's not in your control and complaining about it isn't gonna fix it they're going to be issues and maybe honestly like the experience in in

the life experience that I was kind of alluding to is like, no, it never evens out, but who gives a shit? It's just the way it's going to be.

I know. Like, it's outdated. Like, there has to be some better idiom for, like, asserting yourself.

no see that see that's generic doesn't seem that's not what he needs that's not specific like i i appreciate that you have a lot a lot of managerial experience but i do feel like some of the interpersonal things about management you just missed the mark because it's like saying you're doing a great job Like, it does not feel genuine.

It's like saying somebody, you look nice, as opposed to, man, I really appreciate the way you've grown in your beard. Like, the salt and pepper looks really distinguished.

Of course not. So then why ask? Because it's a joke. Man, you would like. All right. I feel like I start back over with you every time I see you. I start back over with teaching you how to be a goddamn human being. It's like we've got to start at square one. I would like you to carry over some of the things that I've taught you in the past. Like last time we made so much damn progress.

We really loved you. I loved you. It was like, this is good. And then we get back on here and you're telling me I just throw money at people. That shows them that I like them. That doesn't work. And then you're like, do you do they decline? No. The point is, it's funny.

It's like, hey, can I go back to, like, when someone says something that's, like, a little bit sensitive, like, can I go back to the 90s? Then you call them a slur that you would have used in the 90s that wouldn't have been considered a slur back then. And then you come back. Like, and then we all laugh together. It's like, why do I have to explain this to you?

Absolutely. I had no idea hot water balls were a thing. You know another thing that's very 90s? Sometimes people's shorts are a little 90s. And then they update those shorts and they get these new age. Look at those shorts! That material, that is future material. Chris Cody is no longer rocking 90s ass shorts. It's like a decades old callback, David Sampson. Sorry, that wasn't for you.

No, well, it's interesting you say all of Metal Ark is there when I'm looking at like a whole bunch of Metal Ark in the studio right there.

The holdovers. No, there's only one. The rest of you guys, not quite dark enough. Give me a couple more days. Yeah, I mean, I'm excited. It's fun. It's cool. It'll be a good time. New Orleans is good food. I mean, the best thing about the Super Bowl is normally the random occurrences that you can't plan for.

And so my co-host of my show, Charlie Kravitz, has been like sending me all these reservations and plans and talking about what parties are going to go to. And it's just not how you do Super Bowl. That's not how you do Super Bowl.

You show up, you talk your way into parties, you bounce around, you bump into old friends and have random celebrity meetups, and then you talk about it later on the flight back.

um no i enjoy it now i didn't used to enjoy it so like talking your way into a party was a thing that would give would make me anxious in the past but now like i mean what's your greatest talk your way into the before you had the notoriety of being on massive television platforms what was the your magnum opus of talking your way into something I mean, it's, it's, it's lying mostly is like.

Money. It's just money with this guy. I just don't want to do 15 minutes of show.

I remember celebrating when my oldest daughter first started getting fouls in basketball, but especially for, and I don't think we need to go back to the 90s for this, but like being a parent of two girls and a boy, like watching the way girls' sports are played and the way that their refs and coach, kind of frustrated me because they're encouraging boys in such different ways.

I don't know how I feel about that. Listen, no touching. All right. Charlie, I think you got something for me, right?

Oh, I love you, man. So there are a couple of things I want to get to with you. There's a game that I want to play with you also. So my social media algorithm has shown me recently that a lot of wives and girlfriends playing music for their significant others in hopes that they can clap on beat.

So was the argument where your players were too handsome, your players were too approachable, your players were too flirtatious, like just existing is not, I would think, enough to put in a legal argument, right?

I feel like I'm looking around this whole thing and I'm like, you know who I think would do a great job of this is David Sampson. So David, how are you musically? You have that type of rhythm?

Nope. I don't want to talk about that. Play some music for me. See if David can clap. Guys, let's play a little music.

There's one tempo. Get the tempo. Maybe there's a delay here. That's not a clap. Either way, whether it's a delay or not, this is not on beat. On beat has to be... It's on beat in my ear, Donovan. That's the only answer. That's all we need, everybody. That's all we need, everybody. All right. I want to get back to this... Nope. I do not want to talk about that. You nailed it. Good job, David.

You won. But I do want to get back to the idea that... So you introduced these people. So they weren't just like regular fans, right? You didn't just, these were hoity-toity, wealthy people. I have no recollection, Your Honor.

This is, again, last time we were on together, you were awesome. You were the MVP of that week, and it was great. But I remember saying this to you then also, is football is very different from basketball and baseball. We don't have that. Like, that's just not a thing. What? No. So, like, if you've ever been on a football field, it's not quite – yeah, I know how you guys are.

It's incredible, it's outstanding. The only other question that I have for you, or not only other question, there's one other question that's not on the list of things that I wanted to talk to you about is have you ever seen or reviewed a Tyler Perry movie?

When you guys are on the road, you play 100 games, and the fans are much closer, and there's time to look around. That's not how football works. It's so rare for a football player to be in one of the 16 games of the year to look around and say, oh, where's the baddie section? There's a baddie. Go get him. I know this happens, but it doesn't happen in football.

No, I know what you're saying. It's rare if it happens. Like football... Guys are locked in on the game. Yeah. I'm not buying it, I mean. Me neither. Okay, y'all don't have to buy it. I imagine that there is a time when it's happened, but... Generally, the fans are not as close. The weather is not as nice. And you aren't in. We have fewer games. There's more locked in.

So of all the players, and there are only a couple of players who have that level of pull, like most of the guys on a football roster are trying to stay on the roster. They're not looking up to see what they're going to do tonight. We fly into a city. You have dinner. You have a curfew. You go win the game. You get on a plane, and you fly out.

We are. Football players are nerds. That's why people like us.

Yet, no, but not for that reason. Wow. So it's all for naught. We do have, where we do have a little bit of this type of behavior is in seating charts. It's like... On the plane? No, not on the plane, in the stadium.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that you guys are aware of that. And also the wristbands to get into, there's like a family room or like an area, a backstage sort of area where you go to...

if you need a break or to get some food or to meet the players after the game that's a big thing and that's where we've had a couple fights where someone gave someone else a wristband so like flavor of the week in in a city there are obviously some people who frequent the clubs and parties and there was uh someone who was friends with multiple people on the team and they let him into the family room

Created a beef.

So you have that conversation. But if you are new to the city and you meet someone that you like and she becomes your girlfriend and you give her a wristband to get into the family and friends, you did not know that maybe she was someone else's friend at some point. And then they get into the room and then there's some issue because the wife is like, what's this person doing here?

That's the thing that... I want players to play. Well, Zion is the lightest that he's been since college. It appears that, like, the injuries... Some of them I guess you could argue about his fault. And you said even taking along Ja's off-court issues, I think you could argue that Zion has some off-court concerns that could get in the way also. But I guess I'm just surprised and shocked.

But it reiterates how valuable players of this level of talent are in the NBA.

Wasn't there a Halloween one? Yeah, wasn't there a Halloween one? I don't know. I thought there was a Halloween one.

You don't want to get into a moral hazard situation. I wanted to run something by you. I never quite got to any of my solves for tanking because Amin was convinced that tanking isn't even an issue. But from a team president standpoint, I want to throw a couple solutions at you.

One of the ideas that was floated that isn't my solution but I would be on board is to have, rather than a draft, to have free agency. So anyone who's coming in, you could put together a contract offer for a player who is a rookie in order to add that player to your team rather than to have the draft. One of the other solutions is to flatten the lottery odds for everyone who misses the playoffs.

And then there was another solution that I thought was interesting that was to do what the WNBA does and have the record over the course of two years determine Who is going to be who's going to have the top pick? Are any of those more or less attractive to you?

I believe that's a real one.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for watching. Thank you.

Thank you for watching.

Thank you.

Yeah, I don't consider them the same category. I feel like they're playing different sports. It's like, Tyler Perry is producer, actor, guy, and Eddie Murphy is like... Talent. Yeah, one of the greatest movie stars and comedians in the history of everything. Maybe his franchise isn't the best, but that tends to be the case. The most profitable things are not always the highest quality.

I would love. I don't know if I would have been more impressed or happy or frustrated if David said he's seen all the Madea movies. I don't know how that makes you feel, because I know that this from my gallivant with Charlie, his friend, who is a well-to-do white, goes to see every Madea movie on opening night. Which, like, my reaction to that is like... Wait, why?

Like, wait, what do you, I mean. There's an angle. What's your angle? Like, you just appreciate the cinematic quality of it, or you going, you laughing at or with Madea is my question.

It's like the flip, right? Flip-flop.

What if he throw the PCL in there too? We get all of them.

David, is there, so there's no circumstance where you would not just take care of this guy? Take care? Like do the surgery? No, not use yourself, but pay for it. Take care? No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean take care of his knee. There's no circumstance.

OK, so there's a couple of reasons why I would push back and think that it will be worth considering. One is goodwill with your fan base, which maybe you don't care about. And two is long term protection against when this guy can't afford to pay for his own surgery because he doesn't have insurance and his whole life and family falls apart 10 years from now.

there's a big expose about how David Sampson had a waiver in his face rather than help him out. Like, I would think that the $20,000 or whatever it would cost on the front end to get somebody right would be worth protecting yourself because you know what's not going to matter? Your stupid-ass waiver when you say, hey! Hey, I understand that his life has fallen apart and he is now without home.

But don't worry. Don't worry. We were legally protected, guys. Right. Don't you. You have any fear of that?

I feel like you probably picked people in hopes that they would do something funny. Oh, no. I don't think you were out there looking for athletes.

All right, let's lift the spirits. Give me some grape, lady.

We back, and we are bringing in another teammate to help us get this dub in Game 3, the rubber match, the great David Sampson's in the building. What up, David?

Oh, yeah. Where he went from being a news guy to being... Uncle.

Good call.

I'm not signing any waivers. You know what? I think, Billy, can you somehow find my guy that's behind Taylor in that race? Jason? Yeah, Jason Mason.

That was the guy on the thing. We'll get to that in a second. David, I respect you in your sport of baseball. There's the picture of Taylor.

Yeah. Hey, Billy Gill. Find that guy. We can get you Taylor. No, not Taylor.

Give me that guy. I got a question for you. I do want to give you an opportunity to discuss the Torpedo Bats. I feel like we've been all over the place. I'm not a fan of the Torpedo Bat. Lots of people are fans. I'm confused why every player doesn't have a Torpedo Bat right now. What are your thoughts on the torpedo bat in MLB right now, David?

Okay. There we go. Love that you got a problem.

Is it true that Ichiro kept his bat in like a humidor?

Yeah, I mean, and I guess my point, you're right. I don't mean to say that he's like a foul grifter. Like, the fouls are genuine. But it is a part of his game. And the reason why that... I've heard that that should give me some concern is like the refs don't call every game consistently. And then in the clutch, when you need those plays, the refs tend to swallow their whistles in those situations.

Or their wishers. Or their wishers. And they don't have like a true secondary playmaker in a way that you would expect them to.

I heard a story about a lunatic strength coach that happened last night. What else happened last night, Charlie? That was crazy. We don't have to get into the story specifically, but we can tease them for later. I feel like you think less of me now. No, no. I just got to know you more. Multitudes. Everybody has these stories.

It's impossible to eliminate him similar to the way that it's impossible to eliminate Jokic. You just try to get him in situations where you're more comfortable or where you think he is not as comfortable.

That's why those players are so valuable, which is why there's another story of the NBA that's kind of been percolating. We know how valuable those star players are, which is why the NBA is the league of tankers, if there's such a thing. There's no other league where I feel like it makes more sense to tank than an NBA because the value of a player like that is so huge.

And so there were a couple articles yesterday, one of which on ESPN, about the league's initiatives to try to address tanking.

Can I run down the Sixers roster? So, Quentin Grimes is balling. He's the player, the name that you know. Then they got Lonnie Walker, the fourth. Aden Bona, Justin Edwards, Ricky Council, also the fourth. Two of the fourths.

He's the fourth because he has other brothers?

And together they formed Pretty Ricky.

Our first show, we learned about, or we discussed a little bit about naming conventions in families.

G-Roy's a great Maryland receiver.

They definitely seem like the characters from a 90s cartoon that were always causing havoc that the gang had to get away from.

Hell yeah, G-Roy. Leroy and G-Roy. We talked about this on my show a little bit yesterday and I kind of fumbled into what I thought was a reasonable tanking solution. So I want to hear, I'll throw this to you. I think when we are talking about creating That's the problem. Teams are incentivized.

The 76ers need to lose enough games so that they are in the bottom six so they retain their draft pick. This is not just tanking for a draft pick. When you have these protected pick trades, which I think with OKC, the 76ers have a trade, they need to lose enough games just to keep their draft pick. And so you want to create some sort of structure that eliminates the incentive to lose.

I mean, we got to see what the defense gives us.

But why that's not a full solve for tanking is because you also need to create some incentive to win. Because you could just be like, all right, we're out of this. All right, being the worst doesn't get us a better chance, but why would I put my good players out there if we're not going to make the playoffs? We have no chance. They could get hurt.

We got John Fantas coming on later in the show to talk to us about the tournament. So that's a run-the-ball situation. We got David Sampson, which is always fun. I love David Sampson. He makes me seem so smart. He's the best.

No, Trey?

And he's still being productive. Playing too many minutes for somebody his age right now, but he's still being productive.

I mean, I'm fine. They're going to be bad teams. What I don't appreciate is when, like, I look at the 76ers and they're giving DMPs to Kelly Oubre. And it's like, play your best players. Try to have your best. And even if it's just four teams, I feel like at least – and I'm normally not one who –

But I think at some point we're going to get to Steph Curry hitting a ridiculous amount of threes, but I think we got to start with what Jokic did last night in double overtime, a 61-point triple-double. He's insane. All the shots in the paint look like they're mistakes, but they always somehow... Go in. He's incredible. The passing.

I'm gonna defend the players most of the times, but I have found myself becoming a little bit more sympathetic and a lot more sympathetic to fans where it's like, look, we got a whole damn season. This is my team. Y'all not even trying?

It's not because that's not what we do in football. And you can't create the same situation in football because 82 games means money. We're never going to go down to fewer games because I think that would help.

I would disagree with that because I think the scarcity of guaranteed dollars may motivate the players, but that's not what motivates the teams. What motivates the teams is a couple different things. I think it's the complexity of the game of football. Football is not a game where you can get one player in the same way that basketball.

You get one player, it's worth it because that will turn your team around. I think football, we've never really seen that happen. It's so rare. And even all the great quarterbacks that we talk about, I guess – But Aaron Rodgers, he turned the Jets around. Exactly. Full 360. Case in point. And I think it's because of the complexity. That's for the math nerds.

Case of the complexity of football is the reason why so many times we're like, we know this team's going to be good. We know that. And you can't do it. You have to build up the teams that are consistently good are teams that build up that type of culture and are good continuously.

I don't think that if you remove guaranteed contracts from basketball that you would get a better product because the teams would still be incentivized to create DMPs or to tell some guy who's never really been that good to go out there and get his numbers and they lose. You have to remove that incentive.

And I was watching the highlights of that game this morning because it was on way too late for me. But Charlie was still up. He couldn't sleep because he's a Jokic head.

So – I don't think we need to argue whether it's a problem or not. The perception is out there in whether you're playing. That's the problem.

That's trying to pretend as if it's only perception. It is. It's also fact. Teams are tanking. Let's not... Come on, I mean. Teams aren't tanking. It's not a problem, though. It is a problem. Why is it a problem? Because the game that we got last night, the games where we get where people are trying are a better product.

The idea that it's okay to have some distributors of your product say, you know what? We are going to continuously... purposely put out a trash version of the product stinks. That's not a good precedent to set, and the precedent's been set. That's not a good culture to indulge.

No, it's not backwards thinking. It is backwards. So hold on. Everyone's thinking backwards right now. Can I ask you a question? Mm-hmm. Would you like the NBA better if... No one tanked. If everyone tried their hardest.

It absolutely would make a difference.

No, I think that people – teams construct their – or organizations construct teams based on the fact that they are incentivized to be terrible. I think we will be looking at a different NBA. I think we all accept that the NBA is more talented than it's ever been. But we know that some teams are like, you know what? We need to be really bad right now. We construct a roster that way.

We bench players and we have – Games that are non-competitive that no one cares about. And I guess I wanted to get into some of the solves for tanking, but I somehow found the one man in America who thinks that tanking's not an issue. Even the league, even Adam Silver wants them to stop tanking, but you're like, no, it's cool.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

It was a cagey vet. The guy who's been there in all the moments. The guy who is accustomed to being blamed for teams coming short of their championship expectations. Well, obviously last night wasn't a championship moment. It felt like a playoff level game. It was one of the better games of the season so far with the Nuggets taking on the Wolves.

Those games are particularly interesting, and those guys are playing for something. There are some teams in the league that are playing to lose, also. But I'm not going to get negative into tanking. At some point, I think I've got to solve for tanking. We're going to get to that later. But I do appreciate the fact that we're at a point in the season where all the games matter. And we're locked in.

They're playing hard. You go double overtime. Steph is doing Steph things. And in that particular game, the thing that stood out to me was I was shocked at how many big shots Aaron Gordon hit, big threes. And I was like, let me look up. Because that was always the thing on Aaron Gordon was like, he couldn't be a number one in part because of his ability to shoot.

I mean, you looked at me like I was stupid. They pushed him as a number one in Orlando. Don't act like they didn't try. You can't be a number two in a playoff team. Don't act like they didn't try to trick us into being Eric Gore to be a number one.

That was what was happening. I was setting this up to be a compliment to Eric Gore. That's not what I meant. I set it up improperly.

All right. We're back for game three. There we go. A little change to the starting lineup. Our man Hawk is gone for the day. He might be back later in the week. Benched. He wasn't benched. He was benched. It's a little – it's a DMP. Well, the voice that you hear is the replacement for Hawk.

You could run down the street and shake it up. Speaking of running... Taylor, he might get embarrassed today because I walked in this morning and that fool Taylor was, I don't know if you know about this, Amin, but yesterday, Taylor was out here popping a little, talking a little cash to me like he could beat me in a race.

And I was like, I'm not trying to race because I don't want to get injured like my guy at the Hawks game. Yeah, I don't want to get injured like my guy at the Hawks game. But anyway, I walk in here and Taylor looking at me, Like, I'm a kid. Like, yeah. Relax, Kelvin Sampson. You can't run with me. Chill out, young Tay-Tay. And then so he's sizing me up. So I'm sizing him up.

And I have even more confidence after I sized him up. Because I didn't check out. Like, we saw his shoulders and arms. But today he was looking at me like he wanted to race me. So I had to check out the engine. Taylor ain't got no dunk. He can't run. He ain't got no engine. He don't got no cakes. You can't fly if you ain't got no cakes. I'm sorry this is uncomfortable.

I don't mean to objectify you, Taylor, but I know this from when I was being scouted. The coaches and the scouts. Check your ass first. Yeah. So they start. I remember my dad. Turn around, boy. My dad wasn't a very good athlete, but he obviously was very involved in me getting recruited. And I went to my first combine when I was a sophomore in high school.

And the coaches were standing next to my dad. Like, man. Yeah. I mean, he's going to be a good player. He's explosive. And he got real nice hips. And I remember my dad was like, you know what school you're not going to? That one. He talking about how you got nice hips. I was like, no, no, dad. It means like I turned well or whatever. He was very confused.

I mean, that's a football thing. If you listen to draft stuff, you hear a hip. I'm sure you hear it even worse. Here's the thing. What's the worst thing?

They called in the lefty. Not even lefty. That's the crazy part. It is Mr. El Hassan, the dream himself. You've been walking around with a lot of confidence around here. You know that nickname? No, I mean, it's always a nickname. It rhymes. That's the right nickname to go.

My dad stood in the way. And I did not go to that school, not because of that. But I think that it's part of it is that you, you're probably right. But I have been around football so much that some of the lingo in football is comfortable to me. I wonder what the basket, because y'all ain't better than us.

No, it was not.

The basketball equivalent. Yeah, is there a basketball equivalent terminology? Because that was definitely, we talked about high hips, loose hips, nice hips. There's butt conversations, always butt conversations in football because that's where your power is from. And speed, there's like, yeah, he's got a good butt. You can hear coaches say that.

Right here. There's no basketball equivalent. You guys are too evolved for that. You are the most progressive sport, they say.

Okay, so open isn't objectifying. Do you believe, so watching Steph in the Warriors, well, in the Warriors is the right way to phrase it after last night. Steph went for 52, 10, 8, and 5 with 12 threes versus Memphis. I've been hesitant to accept the fact that Jimmy Butler has taken this team to being a legitimate title contender, but I have

the dream here, a real NBA expert, to let me know, should I be serious? Because I know they're better. I know they're not, they're gonna be a tough out, but I have a hard time convincing myself that they actually have a chance to win another title this year. Should I be... Should I change my opinion on that?

You got 700-year-old knees, it would appear.

Them hips close early. His hips close early.

I mean, the dream, right? Yeah, I mean, that's it.

This is so, one of the things about the NBA that people complain about is how the style of play has become a bit homogenous. But I can say when you look at the Western Conference, it does feel like,

there's some like eclectic roster constructions that is kind of interesting to see those things clash like from what the Timberwolves have to the Warriors like is there a chance that the Warriors could small ball their way past some of these teams because like that is always the the hang up for the Warriors or excuse me not for the Warriors for the Timberwolves or for

So we got dreamer in here. No Mike Ryan today. Billy's back. Chris Cody, who's been the rock. Big Red the Rock is here. The return of Smitty Wap. We also got my man Charlie, who at some point, so a couple of things we're going to get into today. Charlie and I went on a gallivant last night. with some friends. One of our friends was kidnapped.

a Gobert-centered team is like, is he going to get taken off the floor? The Thunder, I guess, like, Chet can run well enough.

I mean, the criticism, I guess, that I've heard about the Thunder, and you could let me know if this is accurate or not, is... very reliant on one specific player who is also very reliant on the referees blowing the whistle in certain situations, right?

Talking about SGA, Shea Gillespie Alexander.

Greg Cody told us. Greg, you think I look like the guy from Captain Phillips when you said I could be the captain of your boat? Is that what we're saying now? Is that what we're doing? You think I'm a pirate? I'm a Somali pirate? Is that what you're calling me? What movie is that? Captain Phillips.

Pre-judging the racist. Jared told the story in a much nicer way than I remember it, because from what I understand, like Dan's blonde white wife was looking for a restroom and Dan walked over to the nearest bathroom. African-American. And I don't think he said, sir. I mean, I said, sir, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like you roll.

You rolled your lips up like you're about to make a B sound. Boy, where could my beautiful... Did you say that, Dan?

Nah, I thought he was going to say brother. He said... What makes it worse is Dan knows him. Like, he is blind to all people who are not white. He just saw a black man and thought, hmm, look at this employee. He didn't help me find a restroom for my swan.

Yeah, I mean, I think that. Jared's a really nice guy, but we could have forgiven you potentially because he was behind the desk. But really what makes it so that it's unforgivable is that you know the man. You know him. And the fact that you go way back with him was not enough to swat away the racist goggles that you wear throughout your life. He played for your team at your school.

You covered him.

Dan would have been busted up during the post-fight interview. Like, I don't know what pissed that boy off so much. I just wanted to know where the restroom was. I just had to pee-pee. You said that?

He I mean, the man He pioneered from Mississippi all the way to the Super Bowl only so that his son could be mistaken for a convention employee by a man who reported on him. Like that man ran around and scored touchdowns with no insoles in his shoes. He's from Mississippi, Dan. You imagine with that man experience.

And now, from his grave, he has to feel you telling his son to carry you to the bathroom and calling him a boy.

Not at all. That's not the problem. The problem is that you know him, Dan. And also, I'll have you know that Dan was out here talking about him, saying that he would play with no shoes or socks. He played barefoot. Dan is making up stories, talking about Walter Payton used to run touchdowns barefoot because his memory is so bad. Jesus.

Baby steps, baby steps.

It wasn't. So Dan, this is something that I've been working on with my kids for a while. Take responsibility. Right now, we're focusing on Dan improvement. Trying to deflect me? Take responsibility. Have we addressed your racism yet? Have we solved it? No, it's not solved. Because rather than take responsibility, you're deflecting the responsibility to whom? To who? Another, another black man.

I'm asking. Stand down, racism. Don't call him boy, Dan. Because race is him. Maybe you understand it if I do some slam, Dan, and I use the same word and put the inflection in the wrong place. Yes. Because racism, race is him. Him, Dan.

No, it was a black Jared. It's a dad of a kid who's a really great basketball player, actually, who goes to my kid's school. And I think his son...

committed somewhere to play one of the big schools but yeah i they're they're both jared's in my phone i clicked jared and sent you the wrong jared it's okay i take responsibility for pressing the wrong button uh jared thank you for being on with us sir and thank you for always being so gracious he's the 2004 when are we going to discuss reparations Yeah. You don't get to just say, I'm sorry.

The wrong has been done. When is we going to negotiate some way to repair this situation? Reparations in this situation. Right, Dan? That's what you would preach, right?

A boat. A whole boat. Damn right. Hold up. Hold up. Hold up. Why does it have to be a boatload? Why does it have to be a boatload?

I don't know. Why wouldn't it be a boat? Dan and my people, this is suggesting, I don't know. Don't really mess with boats. That's how this bullshit started. That's right. All this bullshit started on a boat. Jarrett Payton. White man talk about getting on the boat. I ain't getting on no damn boat with you, Greg. You get on the boat. How about if I let you be the captain? What? Let him.

You're saying it's my boat.

We'd definitely be able to swim if y'all ain't put semen in the pools just because of integration. You're racist. Yeah. What do you mean, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. What's in the pool? I think, no, it was like in the South when integration happened. Rather than allow black people to swim in the pools, white people decided to put semen in them and made it really hard for people to learn how to swim. Cement.

Cement is what he said. Oh, oh.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, Chris. I'm sure that that is a role that a black man would do just fine if it weren't for the Caucasian neptasticity that has got you in that seat.

Wie viele von euch werden diesen Eindruck auf euren Company-Retreat einbringen? That's I guess the question that I would have, right? I go hard, dude. These All-Star Weekends are company retreats. That's all it is. And you have a labor class in the NHL that, like Mike mentioned, doesn't have the same sort of representation from their players association.

They don't make nearly as much money as these players in MLB or in In den NBA. Und diese Jungs schützen ihre Geld, weil sie, in den Bereichen, in denen ihre Ligen sind, das bereits gewonnen haben.

In 20 Jahren, wenn die NHL weiterhin so weit ist, wie es geht, und weiterhin Popularität gewinnt, kann ich dir versichern, ich interessiere mich nicht, was wir sagen, dass diese Jungs gebaut sind, es werden auch Jungs kommen, die aus diesem All-Star-Weekend kommen.

Wenn Matthew Kachuk 49 Millionen Dollar machte, anstatt 11 Millionen, We'd be having a different conversation.

Right league, right place, right time, right? No, it's not about whether or not we're booed, it's whether or not the players embrace the villainy. The players right now, if we're taking a straw poll of the players on the American hockey team,

I would think that straw poll leans towards some more people supporting the present administration than it would be if you had sent the NBA All-Stars up to Canada. And when they're getting booed, how do they handle the National Anthem? How does all of this work, where right now you have like, you know, highlight clips to Fortunate Son by CCR being put out by the White House.

You're not having the same sort of thing being done if you have these NBA players, not to sound like Dan, but

It had everything to do with the first best on best matchup between the US and Canada in 11 years. I'm not saying the fights have anything to do with it, but I imagine there might be conversations being had about, hey, how do you feel about this happening while you're out there?

And those responses from what we saw literally in 2020 and on, like those responses from the NBA are going to be different than what you get Tell me an NHL response. I don't.

But the ignoring of it is the same thing. That's kind of the point. I'm not saying you need to cape up for it as opposed to what would have been an abject criticism. And there's a difference there in the way that we respond as fans as well.

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Ich glaube, es funktioniert. Aber die Tradition ist noch gebaut. Du würdest einen WBC-Final 4 bei der All-Star-Break machen. Ich glaube, das klappt. Ja, aber das Problem ist das gleiche, was die NBA hat. Sandy Alcantara wird nicht neun Spiele in einem All-Star-Spiel in der Mitte der Saison spielen, wenn die Handelsabläufe ein paar Wochen später kommen.

A guy just has been traded to a new team in the NBA. It's going to be a different conversation about what they do. But I just think that the reason we're going extra hard on the NBA All-Star Weekend is because we're juxtaposing it with this... Ja, genau.

Everybody in the league is four and five and it's basically, can you just get to the playoffs with McCaffrey healthy? Can you get into the games that matter and then go to a playoff game in Philadelphia where McCaffrey doesn't have to be our quarterback because the other seven guys are injured?

I said it was positive. Stu got the minor penalty. Two minutes for Chiefs talk. You can't say they're overwhelming. You can't say anything. They've won 14 in a row. You've been doubting them the entire time. Okay, get out of here.

Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Can you watch 18 teams closely? Yes or no?

You're not allowed to talk. You're not allowed to have opinions on the Chiefs. You spent the entire postseason last year doubting them and now you're saying they're overwhelming when all they do is win one score games. They're a play away from losing all the time, but that plays third down and Mahomes has got the ball and you're going to lose when that happens.

I don't want to do it. I never want to do that with you. Why are they allowed to have the free tackle jump?

Du hast recht. Wir haben über den Tusch-Push, den Tusch-Push, den Tusch-Push gesprochen. Also a correction, Rishi Rice not expected back till next season. I didn't think Pacheco was either. We'll see. Pacheco might be end of the month.

Ich liebe es. Ich liebe es, dass das jetzt das ist, was die Leute jetzt schauen. Die Broncos. Weil sie in den Playoffs und in die AFC kommen können, weil alle verletzt sind. Und 4-5 und 5-4 sind gerade genug gut genug. Es ist so dumm. Es ist wirklich so. Ehrlich gesagt, was wir sehen, versuchen wir uns zu überzeugen. Keiner von uns denkt, dass die Broncos eine sinnvolle Chance haben.

Well, this one's already old news. Give me the breaking news sound, even though we're an hour late into trade deadline day. We've got something. Thank you. No team more than Dan Campbell and the Lions could hunt for a lineman.

Aber können sie in die Playoffs kommen? Natürlich können sie, weil alle 5-4 sind. Alle sind 4-5 verletzt.

The Broncos have, this is true of a lot of teams in the league. It's partially true of the Vikings. Maybe you think they're a good team or maybe you think they're a good half a team. Die Broncos haben, wie es aussieht, eine gute Defense, um die schlechten Teams wie die Jets auf der Straße zu schießen, wenn Aaron Rodgers es nicht genau richtig macht.

Deshalb sind die Jets eine der schlechten Teams der Liga und es gibt viele von ihnen. Es fühlt sich so an, als ob eine dritte und eine halbe der Liga schlechte Fußballteams wäre.

Wenn du die Broncos bist, schau, Sean Payton fühlt sich immer noch an, als ob die Dolphins 70 auf ihn hielten und eine Annahme zur Liga gemacht hätten. dass es nicht mehr Peyton's Zeit ist. Sie haben 70 auf Sean Peyton gelegt. Und seitdem ist er über 500 weggegangen. Er gewinnt ungefähr die Hälfte seiner Spiele.

Und die Denver Broncos machen etwas, was nicht jeder in der Sportwelt tun kann, was du gerade erwähnt hast, zwei Rennspiele, die sie gewonnen haben. Tampa und New York. Du bist auf der Straße und hast noch einen von diesen drei und sechs und vier und fünf Teams gewonnen. Tampa war gut damals. Sie waren gesund.

There's a bad win now too?

Billy, before you ask any more questions, get me the spectrum that you want now on the standings of good wins, bad wins, particularly bad wins. I want to know what your grading scale is so that I can do this with some finality.

Ein gewöhnlicher Gewinn. Ein gewöhnlicher Gewinn.

This is what I am saying, Mike Ryan, and it is where I am willing to side genuinely, authentically with Billy Gill and Stu Gatz. If you wish to tell me now that we are going to completely change sports and wins and losses are not going to be in the standings anymore, but there are going to be 10 opinions sports fans can give. Ich glaube nicht, dass die Stealers ein Team mit zwei Verlusten sind.

Ich glaube, dass sie ein Team mit vier Verlusten sind. Und ich werde nur schrecklich Opinionen machen, die die Standings wiederentwickeln. Ich bin hier mit Billy und Stugatz für Billy. Du schreckst das Spiel. Du hast zu viele Worte.

I believe that what you guys are doing is you're just saying, I don't want wins and losses. I want to be able to say whether that win or loss was deserved, whether it was particularly bad.

Ja, sie suchen für einen Pass-Rusher, einen Edge-Rusher. Sie suchen für Gewalt. Sie suchen, weil sie Hutchinson verloren haben. Sie haben einen der sieben Jungs in der Liga, der vier Sacks im Spiel haben kann. Und er ist verletzt. Und jetzt haben sie schlechte Männer.

Nachdem Tannenbaum hier gesagt hat, alles für Miles Garrett zu handeln, bekommen sie einen sehr schlechten Miles Garrett hier in Z'Darrius Smith. Aber er ist ein Pass-Rusher und das ist, was sie wollten.

Das ist das, was die Chiefs tun, wenn man ein Stück weit weg ist. Du gehst nicht nach Devontae Adams, du gehst einfach nach DeAndre Hopkins und du kannst es funktionieren. Und jetzt sind es 8-0 und sie haben 14 straight gewonnen. Und wir sprechen von allen anderen Teams in der Liga, wenn jeder 4-5 ist. Wie viele 2-Winner-Teams haben wir in dieser Liga? Ist ein Drittel der Liga schrecklich? Ja.

Okay, I'm not going to do this with you guys, where you come in every Tuesday and you continually... This is now two or three straight weeks where you guys come in here and you make some sort of argument. Zero championships is better than one championship. It's almost better. What I want to talk about with Greg Cody that happened on Mainstream Serious... Cowboys are buyers. Wow.

The thing that I wanted to ask Greg Cody, because I was a bit surprised to see this as analysis, and I don't know whether you guys observed the same thing or not. It's not something I've ever seen said on television. in der Art und Weise, wie Dominic Foxworth es gesagt hat.

In seiner Analyse des Dolphins-Spiels, von dem ich gestern gesagt habe, dass Kevin Harland's Uh-Oh in der Broadcast-Historie der größte Anruf jemals gemacht werden sollte, als Tua von der Hülle auf dem Vierer-und-Vierer freigegangen ist, in die Mitte des Feldes gedrängt wurde, und er nur Angst beurteilt hat.

Dominic Foxworth sagte auf der ESPN-Television oder war es auf dem Dominic Foxworth-Podcast? Er sagte, dass die Bills Angst vor Tua hatten, dass sie mit ihm leidenschaftlich waren, dass sie nicht wollten, dass sie vielleicht wieder etwas passiert, was in einem Spiel passiert ist, das sie vor der Saison gespielt haben, und dass sie leidenschaftlich waren und dass er es schockierend fand.

Is that your appraisal of what it is that you guys watched on Sunday? Because Dominic is the only one I've ever heard with this opinion. Never mind this opinion this weekend. I've never heard it said before about professional football.

You're agreeing with Dominique Foxworth's take that the Bills were being gentle with Tua.

I'm going to take it a step further. The last time the Bills played before this... Wir wurden für einen Monat ausgeliefert und hatten uns als spielerische Gemeinschaft, ein wenig verabschiedet, im Einzelnen. Wie soll ich mich über das fühlen, dass dieser Typ der Zentrum ist? Dieser Typ, den ich mag, ist der Zentrum des Feel Good Hope, der Offense. Er spielt gut. Ich mag ihn.

Er wird der Zentrum aller kräftigen Gespräche für einen Monat sein. Er hat diese Diskussion getriggert. It happened on a field. You can't make this shit up. He collided with a person who had been dead in a Bills uniform and they had to cancel a game one night because DeMar Hamlin died on the field. And when Tua comes back,

He's playing in a way that makes the broadcaster utter through America, echoing from sea to shining sea. Uh-oh, because you're afraid for him. Dominique, not only do I agree with Dominique's appraisal of this that I've never heard before uttered in football, not just because he's a professional football player, he's also, he's watching and breaking down film.

The reason that I agree is because I do understand the humanity in being on the field when that happened. That builds teams, Stugatz. They've had the emotional residue of one of our guys died on the field and we cancelled the game.

They've got on primetime television, oh my god, we made that quarterback spasm on the field and made America cluck about it in fear, holding rosary beads about the brain damage this sport does, for a month.

Cool. Do we feel better about their chances? No, we've got till 4pm today for someone to up the stakes on Detroit. I heard on the way in, I heard people arguing, I think it was Florio's show, do you take the Lions or the field in the NFC? Do you take the Lions or the field?

Und dann kommt er zurück und der Broadcaster schreit, oh oh, und Bills Fans, die donatieren, die gigantische Mengen donatieren, weil sie die Gewalt verstehen und sie gigantische Mengen an die Charite geben, weil sie verstehen, dass wir das Gladiator-Spektakel sehen. Dass Tua sich in diesem Spiel befindet,

Mit Dominic Foxworth-Appraisal, nicht nur, dass es geschehen ist, er war überrascht, dass es geschehen ist, weil er aus dem Weltraum kommt, wo Ed Reed und Ray Lewis um deinen Lockerraum rutschen und diese Leute sind Hüter und sie machen keine Kindheit. Gewinnen ist das Einzige, was wichtig ist. Dominic hat das Wort überrascht, um es zu beschreiben. Er war überrascht von seinem eigenen Appraisal.

We have seen other concussions like that.

Sometimes you don't even know a guy is concussed.

Poyer hat nicht viel davon gemacht, was er am Sonntag gemacht hat. Poyer, der für beide dieser Teams in all diesen Spielen gespielt hat, bleibt, um Menschen mit seinen Hits zu schaden.

Es ist ein Freitagsspezial, am Tag nach Thanksgiving. Also, sagst du es?

Jessica, ich habe dir versprochen, deine Gedanken über Indiana zu machen. Weil eine der Dinge, die ich hinwollen wollte, die wir nicht hinbekommen haben. Oh, danke Gott.

Alright.

How much more breaking news are you guys expecting?

From Rossini, what I'm hearing about NFL trade deadline, 13 players, 18 teams to watch closely. And we haven't even talked about the committee tonight. Who's going to surprise us tonight in the top 12? Are we going to be able to argue and yell about anything? Or is Miami going to be ranked? I think we're going to be arguing and yelling quite a bit tonight.

You want me to do it another way? Okay. This is the greatest team in Lions history and it just got better. Nice. Seriously, clip that. Yeah, but that's how you do it. This is the season with most expectations in Lions history and they've exceeded them and they just did it again.

Yeah, that sucks when that happens.

SMU is a good win. Jessica, this is what I want to ask you, though, because everyone is all in on, man, this has been a fun first half of the season, and yes, I'd prefer 12 teams, and give me more football, more football, more football. Aber sieben der Top 25 haben dieses Wochenende verloren. Und was ist das für ein Effekt?

Weil, wenn es bei jedem anderen Punkt im College Football war, wenn sieben der Top 25 verloren hätten, dann hätte es eine ganze Menge Saisonen beendet. Und das ist nicht das, was dieses Wochenende passiert ist. Also was wird das für ein Effekt dieses Wochenendes sein? Texas A&M ist der große Effekt? Clemson ist der große Effekt?

If it happens in the 50s, it doesn't count. Ah, Bobby Lane. I mean, come on. You've got to have a Super Bowl. No, before the Super Bowl. It's not football. You're an old man. You don't remember those games. No, I don't. I was a toddler. You don't legitimize 1957 Championships pre-Super Bowl.

Aber der überragende Punkt ist, dass Alabama, Clemson, Georgia und Ohio State über die letzten fünf Jahre diesen Sport regieren haben. Und Michigan. Well, Michigan snuck in there, but Michigan didn't beat Ohio State. Michigan snuck in there last year, but Michigan was not the power.

You were firing Harbaugh many times over during the five-year period I'm talking about, where you just had a handful of teams ruling the sport, and we have like... We can forget, oh, was that the 9-6 game that was played late in the season between LSU and Alabama that I thought was going to be an offensive game? There were like six giant SEC games over the last five years.

That is not a big game. That will never be a big game. I will not live long enough to have that be a big game. Please back away from the microphone.

All of the rules are changing in the way that we are consuming all of this stuff. And the explosion of minor league professional football into, yes, they're making some Saturdays feel like Sundays. I think most people listening to this would tell you they don't need a committee. I think the general appraisal is, yeah, give me a playoff with 12 teams and make six of them SEC teams.

And throw LSU in there, because I know they've got a bunch of athletes, even though I don't know if LSU is actually any good. People are just going to look at the SEC and say, yep, those six. No Oklahoma this year, but give me those six. Throw Texas in there, because that's the reputation the SEC has earned for a long time now.

But this is a new landscape where Northern Illinois goes into Notre Dame and some of these mid-tier teams can win on any of the Saturdays. Because it's not what college football used to be. There were 20 teams that could win on any Saturday against another one of these teams. Any given Saturday.

It didn't happen. It's during Red Auerbachs age. Yes, but they all had second jobs as plumbers. You can erase them from the record books if you like.

It's like a James Madison or something can go into North Carolina and all of a sudden you get 50 points at the half.

Es ist seltsam für mich, weil Vanderbilt für mich dieses Jahr das ist, was Missouri letztes Jahr war, wo ich dachte, wie hat das geschehen? Wo ich sage, das passiert nicht in der SEC, wo einer dieser Teams von hier unten plötzlich NIL gewinnen kann. Und warte einen Moment, oh, Missouri ist ein 10-Win-Team.

Oh, Vanderbilt, wenn du mich gerade gemacht hättest, 12 Teams zu spielen, und du mir gesagt hättest, dass Vanderbilt der 12. war, dann wäre ich so, ja, wahrscheinlich. Go ahead and do it that way. Let's do that actually. You guys are perpetuating this BS. It's not the same conference. Let's just do the SEC plays against each other. Because you don't believe in Penn State.

Let's just do the SEC plays against each other. Oh, I don't want Penn State. I want LSU. Get out of here.

What's your name?

Das ist es. Das ist eine kleine Liste.

Okay, das ist es. Du hast es.

Es wird ein 3-Loss-Thema sein.

You were 6'9 center. You couldn't play power forward today if you're Bill Russell.

You guys didn't hear Greg Cody. Greg Cody tried to sneak in with a take that none of you had.

I am with Cody and Stugatz and Billy on the idea that the standing should no longer have wins and losses. It should just be... The three-loss team is going to get in because of quality losses.

Das ist ein guter Sechser. Greg, warum hast du nur einen Sechser von Judges?

Ich mag 10. Billy, bitte stopp. Billy, ich brauche dich nicht.

Ich versuche, Hilfe zu bekommen. Nein, er versucht nicht. Was meinst du? Nein, er versucht nicht, Hilfe zu bekommen.

You tell me what you think would happen to Bill Russell in the paint right now with today's player. You tell me how you think that would go for Bill Russell.

Please go look at his offensive averages.

Cuervo. Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.

Stugatz, go ahead and look. I don't think you know what Bill Russell's numbers are. I don't think you have any idea how limited an offensive player he was. You have no idea what you're talking about right now.

Gegen ein paar Leute, die wie Cody aussehen und mit beiden Händen driften und eine Schuhe um die Hände tragen.

Greg Cody ist hier, er hat sein Buch vor ihm gesetzt. Er kam heute ein wenig zu spät. Und es gab einige konflikternde Meinungen darüber, wie er sich um die Dolphinen fühlt. Denn ich glaube, er wurde in der anderen Runde missrepräsentiert, als Leute sagten, dass er glücklich war mit einer Qualitätsverlust. Wer hat das gesagt? Ich dachte, sie missrepräsentierten dich.

Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, es war Stugatz. Billy and Stugatz have both gotten to a point where they just don't care what they're saying anymore.

There's no factual basis in anything you guys say. And so you had Greg Cody on the opposite side of an argument. There's no way Greg Cody's coming into this Dolphin season with a moral victory that makes them fall to two and six.

Like a tie in hockey. Like you guys would give Tampa Bay a quality loss last night.

It's been a minute. The comedians threw you off. You came in late. We could start the whole show again if you want. Because I think he's disoriented. You love that word. You could just start the point over. He came in and then all of a sudden Roy Wood's talking and no one's introduced Roy Wood. We should start the show over.

You were saying it's not a bad loss, it's not a good loss, it's just a loss.

The Dallas Cowboys... You think I believe what I'm arguing right now?

They played their best game of the season and lost anyway.

Das ist, was die Dolphins, das war, was für die Dolphins vorhanden war, damit du nicht verstehst, wie die Bills diese Division dominiert haben. Und auch wenn du für, hey, vielleicht wird jeder in der zweiten Halbzeit verletzt. Vielleicht wird Josh Allen verletzt und plötzlich gewinnt jemand die Division bei zehn und sieben, weil was auch immer.

Was du am Sonntag gesehen hast, ist, dass die Dolphins am besten sind. Still lost. The Dolphins with Jalen Ramsey getting the rare interception on Josh Allen at the goal line. Still lost. The Dolphins lost. Josh Allen is running past your entire secondary, galloping past it, running for 30 yards. It's a penalty. It's not a touchdown anymore. You still lost to the Buffalo Bills in a game.

dass nur eine Mannschaft für ihre Saison und Blueprint gespielt hat. Die Bills verlieren das Spiel, es ist überhaupt nicht wichtig. Sie glauben immer noch, dass sie die Dolphins bei jedem Tor gewinnen können. Sie haben einen riesigen Top-of-die-Division. Die Dolphins spielen, um den Wetter aus der Coach zu bekommen. Die Dolphins spielen, um... Rex Ryan is calling him McGenius.

They're making fun of the Dolphins now. They were playing to not have their season ended against Buffalo. They were playing to have a second half of the season worth playing and now they're taking calls on Calais Campbell.

Is that the worst of the distinction?

Okay, but what's the worst of the distinction? Since we're now having the standings have nine columns, what's the worst?

An EDL is worse than a particularly bad loss?

I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.

5 ist ein guter Stat. Die Vibes. Die Vibes. Die Vibes. Die Vibes. Die Vibes. Die Vibes.

Billy, get the Puka Nakua song there real quick, Chris. But Billy's big board bets came in. He had that game pegged last night. He had exactly how it is Baker Mayfield was going to play. And he won a three-team parlay.

Billy and Juju take this very seriously and have done it very well. They care deeply about the bets they're making and they often get them right in a way like last night that was lopsided because they're actually studying the games. But this is rarefied air. Cody is offering perhaps to write. Cole Komet, I thought, had a song in him.

I'm surprised to hear you say that you're willing to do another Puka kind of song.

I have in front of me Diana Rossini's What I'm Hearing About NFL Trade Deadline. 13 players, 18 teams to watch closely. I can't do this. I can't watch 18 teams closely.

Für alle, die diesen Sport studieren, sage ich dir jetzt, das Feld und die Rams sind gesund. Das Feld und die NFC, aber die Rams sind gesund. I'm taking the Lions. I know a lot of people are taking the Lions today, halfway through the season, without accounting for what injuries are going to be the second half of the season.

Mike's been there for a month, but I would say to you right now, if I put the Lions at home against healthy Rams or healthy 49ers, none of you are surprised if the 49ers or the Rams win. Not at all. Not surprised in any way, because football happens.

Es ist ein interessantes Team, weil wir in diesem Sport sehr schnell vergessen werden. Ich verstehe, wie Mahomes es gestern getan hat, aber vor Mahomes und Reid war McVay klüger als alle anderen. Und wenn sie gesund sind, sehen sie klüger als alle anderen.

Wenn sie gesund sind, was nicht so oft der Fall ist, weil sie ihre wide Receivers zu Nubs verändern, weil sie auf Offense spielen und wie physisch diese Receivers sind, werden ihre Körper verwendet, um Stoff zu entdecken.

Some of the news that's come out of the meeting at the Breakers for the NFL owners is not all that riveting right now. But some of the video I've really enjoyed. Have you guys seen the Mike Tomlin video where he's answering a question, I think, about Aaron Rodgers? He's answering that question. But the answer to the question doesn't matter as much as the visuals.

I don't know if anyone's seen that.

Is this audio, guys? Let's play this.

There's a lot more to it. He is glistening. He doesn't even say anything that's super interesting in there. It's just pretty straightforward about Aaron Rodgers.

This is not outside. it's a hell of a skill i was i was wondering if we didn't have the sound what would i think this person is talking because his shirt is not sweaty but his face and whole thing is all drenched and like the first thing that came to my mind was that this would be someone if their girl was like you left your phone open this is now someone trying to explain to them i think that

Mike Tomlin still says nothing as good as anyone ever in history. But I think this, not to reach back to the Taylor Jenkins thing, but that's a huge value.

Like, he should take notes. And this is, we try to figure out how valuable or how good a coach Mike Tomlin is. And we often focus on the X's and O's on the field. And for Mike Tomlin, we all appreciate that he's able to have all these super talented players who are I guess. I don't know.

I've tried to find a nice way to characterize so many of the players that have played for them and played well for them and not survived elsewhere. But that also, like, the idea that you can deliver something, and no matter what it is, people are going to give it a time of day. Just because the way that you delivered it was with so much.

I do know. I do know. I'd run through a wall for Ray.

But you didn't care about that because you only wanted to win.

I tore my ACL, so we may not have played.

I don't know.

Well, I mean, I do know that we won if we played each other. Yeah, likely.

While jamming you to the sideline.

Webb was nice, boy.

They moved him to the slot. Eventually, he played outside corner. Webb was giving you that work.

That's because he felt bad about roughing his mints.

We weren't lying, Billy.

It's fine. We would have told it if it happened. Because one of the things that I think that you don't recognize about us is if I knew that I gave Hawk that word.

I would have kicked it off day one. Remember that time? This pivotal game. Helping into the wayback machine.

I got that one. I'm going to swing down, swipe it. I got that one. I feel really good about my test.

It felt like a person playing the bongos authentically would have had a little bit more to them.

I got that one. No, you didn't. That's what I did. I can't wait to do it now. I was saying there's no way you guys could talk me into trying to do anything athletic. But, hey, if we get Tony out there with no ball, I'm down. I'll be like, oh, no, tip to the line.

Because I think he recognizes who he is and the value of his words. And I think that he probably thought in that moment that you, in a situation, you had talent and you're on a team that is not very good, that this guy is obviously good. And it wasn't just from that game. I imagine it was from film study also. And he was like...

Before we leave here, this guy who's obviously fighting to get in the league and stay in the league and show his worth and is on his team that could be demoralized, I'm going to give him a word.

Right. And I think that's a – it sounds – as I get older, I recognize things that a younger me thought was stupid. But a younger me would be like the content matters more than the delivery. And I wouldn't say it was stupid.

It's pretty obvious that through the week of practice, he saw this one guy on the team that is working really hard, that's making plays in spite of what's challenging around him. And then he played in the game. They probably beat you. And he was like, where is that kid Hawk that stood out on film? That kid probably needs a word from Reverend Ray to keep it going. And it hit you with it.

Nah, you never. I mean, so. He always speaks in speeches and you never avoid Ray because it's either inspirational or funny. It's not a bad thing. Ray is the coolest dude to be around. Very intense. But I think the thing that I could have learned from him that I didn't was that it's so much more in certain situations or the delivery matters.

if not more, as much as the content in certain situations. And I would always think that, eh, but it's what you say that matters. But no, sometimes it's about getting their attention and making sure they're in front of you.

best compliment you ever received from a opponent i don't know i don't did jerry rice compliment you as you ended his career no jerry rice didn't like me because you ended his career so jerry jerry my um rookie year and denver jerry rice came to camp with us he ended up retiring before the season started but it was like i grew up watching jerry rice i love jerry rice it was my brother's favorite player that's wild and so my first rep in training camp

was against Jerry Rice in one-on-ones.

40 plus.

Yeah.

Jerry Rice was not participating. Yeah, but he's Jerry Rice. You're just wrong. Jerry Rice.

And trading camp. Good call. Trading camp. The last one wasn't necessary. All of them lead up to it.

That was the one where they won no games?

I think where Charlie was going with this was not arguing whether he's good at it or bad at it. Why? If you're going to an event Would you rather just have a normal anthem, or would you rather be at the one game where this guy plays the bongos? I'm with you.

So, yeah, Jerry came – and Jerry's camp experience was different because, you know, you're a vet at that point. Camp for us was like, look, I got to show y'all I can play every single snap of every day for two whole practices. Jerry Rice, they knew, like, what you're capable of. We needed to see, like, how much of it he could bring to the table, and they determined that it wasn't enough.

But Jerry was not Jerry Rice, and so my first rep,

Don't apologize.

We got a Jerry Rice story. Did I do it? Yeah. The best thing about Jerry Rice, he's incredibly cool, as you would expect him to be, being the greatest receiver of all time. But the greatest thing about a training camp, it was we had the like offseason stuff. And so we were there together for a long time. And so we would go to the club and Jerry would go with us.

But go ahead. The whole team was like, hey, we're going out. And you're part of the team, you go out. Right? So... Anyway, Jerry, we was in early 2000s, so we all were in oversized clothes. And Jerry was in a fit that was probably killing him in the 80s. And would probably kill him right now. Because the tight, it was tight, only a few buttons buttoned in a skinny chain.

But we were in an era where everything was baggy, monster change. And so we walk into the club. Jerry is in the 80s cooking him. And we all in 2000 looking at Jerry like, why are you dressed like that? But really, he was the freshest one of all of us in like a silk button down with his chest hair out and a tiny gold chain.

Work, boy. The belts was, ugh. The braided belts. Oh, yeah, because you had to pull it so tight. I couldn't have a belt with holes in it. That braided joint, I would get size 38 pants, which, like, I wear 32, 33. Packs, man. Put them on, super tight, and I thought I was killing them with a baggy throwback on.

I remember when I had all the jerseys, like, going out of high school, I had a bunch of jerseys, and I had, like, one authentic jersey. That thing was fresh. The rest of them was the replicas with the little screen printed on it.

I had a red Tiki Barber that I thought was cold because it was red. I was like, what are you doing with a Tiki? Like, he was not, like, an exciting player. He was a good player. But, like, I had a Tiki Barber jersey on just because of the colors.

Yeah, I'm like, hey, man. I regret this about me, but towards my entire career, I was a get off the field as soon as possible guy. I wasn't a hang out, shake hands guy. Win or lose, it was like, game's over, I'm in there. So that was the time for compliments. I would participate in all the trash talk and fighting and in the game and that sort of stuff.

But the time for like, oh, yeah, whatever, we get up in the offseason, blah, blah. I ain't had time for that shit. I wasn't going to the locker room.

is that better or worse than the Fergie anthem? You remember the All-Star game?

Thank you. in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you.

No, they're not letting the people decide. The people have decided. They've decided overwhelmingly.

Yeah, you got to have a hype man. You got to have a hype man along with it. And I volunteer, Mike.

Like 10 seconds long. I mean, I don't know how much time Hawk needs to prepare, but I feel like he's got it in him. I feel like he's got a Busta Rhymes National Anthem in him at some point.

That's gold, man. Yeah, well, speaking of music and art, there's a Beatles movie coming out, right, Mike?

Coming out?

All right, so I've been told that Nashville is the music city. We've had this conversation before. I'm not a big fan of live music, but Nashville is supposed to be the music city, right? So you would think that if you go to a Nashville event, you're going to get some fine music. Not apparently. If you go to a Nashville Predators game, you might get an anthem like this.

So it's going to be from the same time period from all the different perspectives, potentially?

Alright, I'm throwing you a bit of a curveball right now, but for somebody like me, who I'm aware of the Beatles, there's some songs that are good, are fine, but I'm not a Beatles guy.

I'm aware of the Beatles. I'm aware of the Beatles. But my parents didn't play Beatles when I was young. Lots of people have told me, hey, you got to listen to Beatles. They'll give me a song. I'm like, yeah, that thing is dope. But most of them, I think a lot of the Beatles stuff was so influential that it doesn't feel special now. It might have felt special at the time.

But I'm like, yeah, it sounds like a lot of music that I've seen before. But people who really appreciate, a lot of music I've heard, but people who really appreciate the Beatles will say that it's because music was so influenced by them. But what I want from you is some help at giving me some sports comps for each individual Beatle.

Because I know that like, I heard off the top, we're not excited about the Ringo movie. He's just clearly the fourth.

It doesn't have to be from the same era. It could be anywhere. So I'm trying to get a crash course in understanding the dynamics in these people and these characters. And I know Paul seems like he's the most famous and affable.

Is he more talented? No, he's pretty talented. So he's right. He could have been.

So John Lennon, a little bit like maybe Derrick Rose? Len Bias? Not Len Bias?

I get the sense that John feels more like an artist. And that might also be, I get that sense because of the Yoko connection. He feels more like a free spirit artist. And Paul comes off more as a guy who had the art in him but understood the commerce.

That's one of them. I think your sneaky limited fake bag is awfully deep. You hit us with some yesterday.

But Jimmy Haslam took responsibility and said the buck stops with them essentially for the trade and signing of Deshaun Watson that hasn't worked out. The Woody Johnson quote was about the – the surveys that were done for the NFLPA and Woody Johnson's organization got an F from the players. And he essentially said, eh, what that tells me is that it's a little bit fishy.

You mentioned how your son is a really good athlete and I ran into you at the Junior Olympics because your son's an awesome athlete. He gets that from you.

Has he had practice yet for this year?

Yeah. I mean, like, no. It was a weird way of asking. It was a weird way.

I don't remember the exact terminology, but he said that it was kind of like. Totally bogus. Yeah, he said it's totally bogus rather than doing what's apparently, although there's some reason to argue that Jimmy Haslam is not a stand-up guy. In this situation, he stood up and said, that's on me. But he didn't let his wife off the hook. But that's on me.

So the reason why it's a weird way of asking is because for the last two minutes, just talking about track and talking about suns. I talked to Hawk earlier in the day. You're trying to have breakfast yet? And Hawk had a great time at his son's practice yesterday.

I recognize that urge as a former athlete myself. Whenever I'm around somebody doing sports stuff, something in me is like, hey, just go ahead. Give it a shot. Just go a little something. Give them a little run, a little crossover. But it's dangerous because I have so many friends. We're at the age where the Achilles popping age.

Like early 40s. This is when they start popping. I had two friends popping in the last year. Achilles just out here popping. I went skiing and that's all I was concerned about. Well. My son's a 12-year-old who really likes to ski. And 12-year-old boys... Oh, he's rich. Go ahead. They make terrible decisions. And so I was really concerned about him.

And my friend's son, who's six, who's also a boy who makes terrible decisions. They just try to skate around into ridiculous things or ski around and up mountains and stuff. So I was worried about that. And also... Tearing your Achilles. Popping something. I mean, everything gets brittle at this age. I was sore as shit, but you know what? I ain't popped nothing.

Billy, I've seen you race before where you got it in you too, where you walk around, you say that. But somebody call you out. They look at you funny. You like, hey, let me just line it up. Y'all must have forgot.

You're the fastest person on the show, right? Yeah.

I'm not encouraging anybody to race as I talk about how we're all at the age to pop an Achilles. I swear to God I'll do it. I know. I swear.

I got it. I know that feeling. Dominique, we can get you two.

Yeah, we don't need to race. We did a combine. We did a combine. You're not talking me into popping nothing out here today. I jogged yesterday. Sounds like you're scared.

it's all right dominic you know you're scared to race hawkins it's all good if you give me two months to train yeah i feel like i can pop a really good 100 meter if you give me two months i probably will still sit here and be scared to race hawk because i'm not scared of losing the hawk unless y'all putting some money on the line i'm scared of what's gonna happen to my bones joints and liggies well when i ain't here to pop no liggies when did this happen to you because

If y'all don't get the F out of here, I would have gayed that kid. And that's the feeling that comes into me when I'm around people doing athletic things or people talking about sports things. It's like, man, why don't y'all stop with this foolishness?

He looks like he's ever cones Okay, ball face. I have a photo ball face lot. Oh

That was the same year where I had a producer at what was then called the Undefeated, now Anscape, who said that he could score a point on me in one-on-one basketball. No, it wasn't Tony. It was Monis and... No, it wasn't Monis. This is important, though.

It wasn't your Tony.

So if they get Cam Ward, though?

Not me. I wouldn't. I could score a point on Dom. He was taller than me, too, and he was like, I mean, I'll score one. And I was like, no, you won't. Like, I'll score 11 before you score one. And I was trying to explain to him the difference. Like, you're not faster than me. You're not stronger than me. You're not quicker than me. You will not get a good shot.

And, like, I'm not a great basketball player, but you're not going to get a good shot. You're going to have to hit a bad shot before I hit 11 shots. And, yeah, I beat him 11-0.

And he was like, I play basketball every day. And I was like, I don't. But what you have to understand is, I'm a lunatic. Yeah.

Like regular Tony.

Yeah. I mean, Tony wouldn't get a bucket on me either.

That's all I want to know. Can you fight, Steve? Can you fight? I mean, I heard the accent. I was like, he'd probably play your rugby. I bet he's a tough guy. See if I can get him into some tough guy talk. Eh, probably not.

Yeah, I think Tony can't. Uh-oh. Oh, this is the picture. Here we go. Let's go to it. Who is falling? That's me falling.

We did the three-cone drill, and I was ahead by so much, I decided to backpedal. And the one thing that I'm not capable of doing at this age is backpedal. Is the thing you were paid millions of dollars to do? That was years ago, too. That's like seven years ago, right?

Was it like those Steve Madden bowling shoes that was very popular? The old six? Popular. I'll tell you what it was. It's when Nike and Cole Hawn merged. And so I...

And Nike, I had a lot of Nike bucks from being a Nike athlete. And I was like, all right. Oh, what a time. Yeah, so that's what it was. They were leftover Cole Hawn Nikes. It was like, hey. And that was before we all just wore.

It was before we just all wore tennis shoes at all times now. It was like those were the most comfortable type of work shoes you could wear back in whenever that was. That completely makes sense. I told you guys that we're going to get to my racist cat. So I didn't know. I'm going to take it back. He's not racist. His name's Lamar. He's not racist.

He just has a healthy trepidation of white folk. OK, so we went to Aspen and while we were away, one of my wife's friends from college asked to stay at our house while they did some work at her house. So we're like, sure, fine, go ahead. You can stay there. She's white. Her husband's white. Their kid's white. They get there and they love cats and the cats there.

And they called and was like, we haven't seen the cat all day. They call the next day. We haven't seen the cat all day. Four days. They say, we haven't seen the cat. So we're all kind of nervous. Like, oh, they must have let him out by mistake while they were coming in.

It's a house.

It's not called that at all. You know how sneaky cats are.

Steve Martin. I'm going to leave. Sorry about that. Steve Martin. No, no, no. You're good. You're good. Everybody makes mistakes. Stay. Stay.

No, no, we're inclusive around here.

So we're all worried, and my wife and I are like, man, what are we gonna do? The kids are gonna be so upset. The cat's lost, probably dead somewhere. We get home flying. It was like, he could be dead in the house. It just don't stink yet. Like, I don't know. Or he ran out into the woods. So we get home at midnight from flying. And we walk in the house.

And the first thing my son does is call for Lamar. Lamar! He doesn't know. We didn't tell him. He's just excited to get back to see his pet. And so my wife and I look at each other like, oh, cringing. Like, oh, we just going to try to go to bed tonight and talk about it in the morning. He's, Lamar! The cat's in the house for four days. They're in the house and he's hiding.

And that's the only conclusion we came to. He didn't trust him. He was like, I don't know what y'all doing here. Are you guys colonizing?

Yeah. He spent his whole life in your house. Yeah. We got him from white people.

After that, those might have been the last. Do we know how those white people treated him? Well, we don't know. That might be it.

They're coming to take me.

That's what happened, is...

Who's eating this food? No, the husband, so it was, we put out enough food, so it was too much for them to tell the difference. But the husband said that he would hear stuff, and he just felt like he was there, but he just chucked it up to maybe creaking in the house late at night.

And the cat was just hiding, came out, got his food, would do his business at night while they were sleeping, and then go back to whatever corner in the house he was hiding.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Cam Ward's – I feel like the perception around Cam Ward is going through a bit of the normal quarterback trajectory where last year no one knew him. And this year they're like, oh, he's pretty good. He's probably going to be one of the higher picks. And now it's going through the roof.

Thank you.

I'm seeing him compared to the likes at the top of the league where his skill level and talent – and I get why people are excited by it, but – I mean, I'm getting a little nervous the way they're raising the ceiling on my mind. Because everyone loves him? It makes you nervous? No, it's not even that.

Thank you.

It's about how fast it's gone in the names that they're comparing him to and the expectations that they're creating for him in the situation that he's going into. Because they started... Putting him with people like Mahomes, saying talent-wise, he has that type of arm talent. I don't think anyone's projecting him to be Mahomes, but they're putting him in that category.

I was going to ask Charlie.

I was going to ask Charlie to re-deliver it. Re-deliver it. Can you re-deliver it in a way that's not offensive to Hawks?

Ooh, yeah, that's moving him up. I like that.

Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.

That's unbelievable. And so many quarterback drafts, we go through different things. And as we talk about the evolution of the league, we go through different things that we value when we're drafting. At one point, the thing that was most valuable or considered most value for a quarterback was his level of whiteness. No longer a deciding factor or it doesn't seem like a deciding factor.

Then we went into like accuracy was a thing at one point where you look for that more than anything else. Pocket presence. And now it seems like potential. Like potential is the word that gets you excited. And Cam Ward might be the best prospect for that because of what Charlie mentioned. Like he played in the wing tee. Then he went incarnate word.

And then he goes to Washington State and he gets better and better. And so you can see that he's already on a ridiculous trajectory, and coaches see that and get excited. They got so excited last year with Anthony Richardson, and he wasn't showing that trajectory. He just looked freaky out there. They were like, hey, we're going to figure it out.

And with Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and guys like that, everyone thinks they're not going to have Trey Lance. They think they're going to get Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.

That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

Is there any bias that you need to declare when talking about it? Because you got a lot of friends. What is that supposed to mean? I'm just saying that you're watching a different player than I'm watching. If that's your assessment, it's your door set. So I'm trying to figure out, you and Deion homies or what?

This is what you wanted to do? I take it back. I take it back. You wanted to go Kobe Shaq today? That's what you woke up this morning and said? Did you hear me say I take it back? I take it back. I don't think you can do that. You can take it back. You can take it back. We're in a public forum. They're all looking at us like, oh, no. Is he going to flip the table? I might, Mike.

This is a heavy table. You flip the table? Yeah. Flip this table?

So where'd you get that information from?

That's all I'm doing. I'm trying to set up a Louie. I'm trying to set up a Louie. Just trying to set up a Louie. I like a Louie.

Okay. I like him.

I like him. Yeah, man. The Cam Ward projection is one thing. The Shador Sanders thing is, like, I understand the reason why anyone would draft Shador Sanders. So going back and looking at Shador Sanders' film from this year, one thing that I realized is it was a lot more short passes than I remembered. It's a lot more.

Like, in my mind, and I think that this could happen, it's like I remember Shador throwing big passes in that game against Kansas. And then I went back and watched it on a flight a couple months ago or a couple weeks ago and was like, ooh, doing a lot of screening over there. You're getting that thing out your hands awfully fast, big dog.

And then I'm looking forward to make these big, thrilling, down-the-field passes that I imagined and they just weren't on the tape that I watched nearly as much. And that's – That's the thing I think that scares people is they don't want to be in a situation that so many teams find themselves in.

As much as we want to focus on how important it is to build the team, we want to look at the Eagles, everybody can do that. You don't have to have a perfect quarterback. One thing that makes it easier for you, that cleans up a bunch of mistakes, you've got holes on defense, it's pretty nice to have a quarterback and two awesome receivers and then you can be competitive in every game.

the owner of the team that Mike formerly loved, the Cleveland Browns. We're going to get him back. You're going to get him back? Oh, we're going to get him back. Jimmy Haslam came out, and it's a rare thing for the owners. And it's funny to juxtapose what Jimmy Haslam did with what Woody Johnson said at the same time.

I feel you. The tools, though, that he has or doesn't have, I think is what scares people off. There was a time when we would be scared away from the toolsy quarterback. That seems to be in vogue now.

Everyone wants the toolsy quarterback because they all believe that they can turn him into Josh Allen or turn him into Lamar Jackson, which obviously you're probably not going to, but it's worth the risk to take because if you have a quarterback like that, as we saw, particularly in Buffalo, They changed that roster around him many different ways. You know where they find themselves every year?

In contention. So that's what it comes down to. And I guess there's really no debate between Shador and Cam. We're creating that. There's no draft analyst out there who's like, hey, one or two, Shador or Cam.

So first of all, before we get to that, at some point we're going to get into some draft stuff today. We're going to refresh the Uber ratings because we got some. The big tease, we got a means rating, guys. Get ready. So we're going to update that at some point. I got a story for you guys about my racist cat. All this is going to happen.

We're also going to discuss the tournament and the tush-push rule. But before we do that, this is the last. We do the little film session right now. This is the last time we talk about it. If you want to go into it, my assessment of yesterday's show was we got off to a good start. We were great. We got a big lead. Great start.

That's crazy. Desmond Watson looks like Big X to plug while he is jumping and running, by the way. Did he not?

He wasn't any good, obviously.

I've seen Big X on stage. I'm pretty sure he don't look all athletic. He don't be moving like he could. He don't got a lot of, like, oomph to his experience. That outside zone would have gave Big X... Hell. Push, push, push though. Oh, Big X would have plugged. Might have been the plug for the commanders. So the thing I would push back against you, Mike, what you're saying, I think it's fair.

All the things that you're saying is fair. However. It doesn't address the point that I was making. My point isn't about it's not fair. You know why you don't outlaw the forward pass? It's awesome. You know why you don't outlaw Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson? This is awesome.

This end, it encourages people to get faster, more athletic, more fun to watch people onto the field in order to compensate for Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes and also the forward pass. You got to get a more aerial, more fun game.

And I feel like some of the rules changes in football were partially about moving us away from a more physical game in the 90s, but also encouraging passing because it's more fun to watch. And that is my argument for why I don't love the tush push, because you end up in a situation where you start to increase the value of players like Desmond Watson, which no disrespect.

Right. Well, I mean, Howie Roseman's roster construction strategy is something that Charlie loves because it's pretty plain and simple. Him big, him fast, him strong.

We were feeling good, and then they brought out a defense that I wasn't ready for. And as the point guard, I got flustered by the defense. I was like, what are we doing? Guess?

Him an eagle, right? Him Georgia Bulldog. Yeah, yeah. Because I believe Kirby Smart also has the same strategy. It's like, hey, get the biggest, fastest, strongest guys. Who drive really fast. Yeah.

Yeah, so I think— What I'm having a hard time with is when I present my reasoning, no one refutes the reasoning that I've suggested. You keep twisting it back to something else that I don't think matters. I will.

They were ugly turnovers.

I was with you until we handed out interceptions. That's what I'm saying. When does it stop, Dom? I'm on board with handing out picks, so I'll take a couple more.

You cannot... I think it's already in the rule books. You cannot help a runner. You can't push from behind. You can even add to it that you can't push a guard from behind. But linemen do that a lot.

That's a great play. I want that still. That's in the course of the game. I don't mind that as much. And I think that when it's an obvious thing that's clearly bad for the game, the decision is easy.

The torch push is also in the course of a game. I'm saying that it's in the course of a play, a normal play. It's like a slot receiver catches an out and the guard just hauls ass downfield to help out. That's different than lining up. That's different from lining up.

I would prefer them not to, but I'll make the concession that they can't. Like, get out of here. The guy has the ball. Let him run and tackle. You flying downfield, throwing your fat-ass body into a group of football players feels stupid and unnecessary. I've gotten hurt multiple times. Yeah, like, get out of here. Stop it. Your job is to block. Somebody protect me. But whatever.

What I don't like is the push-push formation, and I think that it's easy when there's a rule that is obviously bad for the game. I think it's hard when you have to project how it will impact the game going forward, which is why I agree with you, Mike. Last year, the push-push, it's overpowered, but it doesn't bother me near as much as, I guess, and this is my fault, what I'm projecting is...

As we discussed yesterday on the Dominique Foxworth show, me and Charlie have a thing where we say accountability plays. And you have to be very accountable when you mess up. And I accept that yesterday, I was fooling myself. I parachuted in, and we got off to a great start, I thought. Chris was balling. We did the intros. We had some good topics. We was laughing. We had that thread of Leroy.

it will do because people if you don't outlaw it and i know you said some people found a way to stop it it's overwhelmingly unstoppable if you don't do something about that then the teams have to do something about that which i think pushes us in a direction that i thought we were staring away from and we love the way football is played now i i like your point about like the formation what if you have to declare that you're gonna tush push

I would say that one thing about the tush push that I like is it encourages more aggression from coaches on fourth down. It does somehow, though, discourage aggression on third down. which is like we don't take that into account. Also, when it's third and six, one of the great beauties about being on defense, third and six, we know you're throwing. Here comes our best blitz.

Here comes our nickel and dime package. Now it's like third and six. Y'all going to run it again?

It's a game of football.

Of course you like his team. I don't know if you got this.

What you've got to understand is. I think that you came in today thinking like, hey, I got my man. I'm going to be everything for my guy today. But don't worry. I'm doing a lot of jobs right now. Don't worry. I got to get back into my system. I got this hosting thing under control. You do. I got it under control.

Oh, you know what it is? They reemphasized the illegal man downfield. They had a whole season of RPOs where the offensive lineman would be four yards downfield and the quarterback would pull it and throw a slant. And defenses, you may think that we look to see if the ball is handed off. We get our run pass keys from the offensive lineman.

So it was really unfair to be like, hey, we're running the ball. Look at this tackle who's three yards downfield. Psych your mind. Did they take away cut blocks? Yeah, that was a health and safety thing. Not completely, but you can't cut block from the outside in anymore where you used to be able to do that. They also took away the defender's ability to cut.

You hooked us up with that. We was going. I was like, man, I'm in this. This is easy. Hit it to my man in the corner. Hit a wide open three. Fast break. Boom. Great defense. Rebound. And then they started throwing yes at me.

So as a cornerback, they would run screen passes.

They've had a couple plays off of it that they just do just because. But to Mike's point, if I were to switch sides of the argument, the position would be someone should stop it because then it would lead to something else. But what do you think about it?

So my point, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think that's an excellent analogy that you bring up. The three-point line, when it was introduced, it took decades before. it became a homogeneous part of the game. My point is we keep getting back to why this matters in competition and saying, whoa, defense is just being soft.

My point is, and it's a hard thing to do in professional sports, it's a business with two goals. It's one to win and, well, actually, it's probably one to make money and two to win. And I agree wholeheartedly. If we're focusing on the winning part of it, yeah, that's fine.

But if you're talking about the make money part of it, I do believe that this is a step in a direction that I could be completely wrong. Maybe if we allow this to keep going, it does not go down a path that makes the game less entertaining or less interesting. But to the point about three-pointers, let's add three-pointers. They're fun. This is cool. This is different.

Which ones could you beat?

Now we're in a place in modern basketball where the three-point shot has taken over to the point where some people complain about.

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Hold on, one second. In Mike's defense. I thought we burned the tape. In Mike's, we got to do a, we got to bury it. We got to bury it like Rex Ryan did back in the day when he buried the ball. In Mike's defense, I was the point guard and I clearly couldn't point guard anymore. So Mike was trying to. Chris, what do you got?

No, I was trying to start game two, and you guys wanted to do an assessment. And one thing I'm not going to walk away from

All right, we back to the Dan Levitard Show. Sans Dan's, me and your boy Hawk in the building. We had a couple changes to the shipping container. Jessica's not here today. Roy's not here today. But for game two, we're bringing a big dog in. Yeah, we need it. One of everyone's favorites. Look at him, locked in. Locked. With the glasses on. There you go, a chess pal from Billy Gill. What up, Billy?

Find me a black person to join the show today.

All right, so we're good? We're good. That was the third time I tried to put the show behind us, and then someone else jumped back in.

I think we should. I think we should. Perfectly done. Tush push. Get that crap up out of the league. Am I right? Should we? You're not one of these guys.

It is also framing matters. They're just a little misshapen, I guess. It's a design. Because when you say it's a corked bat, it suggests that they're cheating. Yeah, it feels like it. They just, what I don't understand, if we're moving over to basketball, I mean to baseball, what I don't understand is why everyone doesn't have a torpedo bat right now. Like, what are you doing?

What happened in the Commander's game was on the goal line, the Eagles were trying to do the tush push and the commanders were completely comfortable with jumping off sides in order to stop the tush push because half the distance to the goal is nothing and six points is a lot. So eventually the ref suggested that you do it again.

To answer your question, the NFL bylaws and rule book give you the right to do it? There's no way that's legal. It is legal. I've never heard of that ever in my history of life. So, I mean, I guess you have to take it out to the most extreme is if they just continue to jump off sides, the game would never end.

So the ref has to have some sort of power at that point because no time runs off the clock. The ball moves a smaller fraction of an inch every play. Like, if we're talking about ending this game and having a game, if you're in that situation, the refs have to have some sort of recourse, right? No. I don't believe so. So you want that Bill Belichick to be like, you know what?

We're going to jump off sides until tomorrow. We're going to have a war of attrition. It's the only soul.

Welcome to the show, buddy.

There's a couple of different things. I think that there's a couple of different reasons why I think it should be banned. And it's not because of how effective it is. The idea that it's not against the rules is kind of murky because you can read the rules a different way to suggest that you're not allowed to help pull or push something. any player in the league.

Hey, guys. Yeah, we got to flush. We got to flush. We 24-hour rule. We flush game one. We on to game two. We came to get a split. Let's get a split. We need Big Dog Billy in the building to get the split.

It's always been against the rules to be able to do that. Recently, they kind of de-emphasized it, I guess, because it's still technically in the rule book, isn't it? That you can't aid and assist someone in that situation. The reason why I don't like it is not because it's effective. I think people want to make it like, oh, you can't stop it, get it out the game. It's because...

It's the responsibility of the league to create the best product. And I think oftentimes we think about rule changes as it relates to health and safety, which sometimes is true. But the rule changes, as we've learned in baseball recently, you got to tweak them. And the NFL and even the NBA has been comfortable with tweaking rules in order to keep the entertainment quality there.

And I think Mike is right at this point. The tush push doesn't bother me as far as entertainment quality. There is some suspense to it. But I do think that it encourages us to a version of football that we don't like. Because if the rules aren't going to make it so you can't do it anymore, then the coaches and general managers have to design plays and draft players in order to stop it.

And I think that sends us in a path that's less fun.

I mean, I've seen Kyler Murray run the ball. I'm not sure that he doesn't also squat 600 pounds. Good point. That dude's got some power.

But it goes to people make the argument, like, if you don't like it, you stop it. Like, it's a manly thing. Like, my pushback from the defensive perspective is, why y'all got to push? If we want to do a quarterback sneak and you want to go mano a mano, your centers and guards against ID tackles and linebackers, then do it. Tell Saquon to get his big quad ass out of there and stop pushing.

We got to flush. We got to flush game one. We got to flush. We got to review this. So 24 hours. We already reviewed it. I reviewed the film last night. Not technically 24 hours. It's like 21 right now. But just the 24-hour rule is what it's called. I mean, we could go through it if you want to. I reviewed the tape. I think Billy needs context so that he knows what to bring to game two.

It's not as if Mekhi Becton ain't big enough. Like, I want to see that. That, to me, feels like... a fairer matchup and a more interesting and a less lopsided play.

Good job, buddy. Desmond Watson is not like a great college football player. He's just 460 pounds.

probably like three factions or I guess disciplines of NFL media. And it's one like the guys who are probably closer to how we were when we were like teenagers and preteens where it's like, that's just dope. Like you just like excited because something's cool. Like you don't, You read a couple articles here and there, but you don't live and breathe this stuff.

You're not like a crazy sports gambler. You're like, this is really cool, and it's just like the basic fan. And then there's like an advanced level of it, I would guess, in that there is like the ball watchers and the jargon users and the film guys, which I think these two groups are the ones that I think offend Charlie specifically more than the other ones.

And then there's the other group where it's like a –

like this is homework where it's like the the stats nerds where they just kind of suck all the fun out of it and i think or not all the fun out of it where they're looking to solve the problem which like speak speak definitively on topics there would take out the gray area of a game that's really complicated and i could speak to this specifically because i think when i first got into media like i recognized that i am who i am so i i

try to overcompensate like my own personal insecurity is like oh no you guys aren't smarter than me i can get as deep into these analytics as as anybody can and then i realized that i started dreading like getting ready for this because it was much more fun to watch the game and then be like you know what this is dope now let me go find

what the numbers say about this particular player or this player, because you know what? The reason why we like sports is because it's cool. And somebody did something that was cool or interesting that drove me to want to go into it. Like going the other way, I think sometimes it's problematic.

No, it's absurd. But champ, that's the one thing that I knew that I witnessed in my first year. But from then on, I never really saw it happen much after that. Like every now and then someone would stay. If we played in their hometown, someone would stay to be with their family and then come back on Wednesday. By the Urban Meyer style, you're saying? Nothing Urban Meyer style.

I think he got a Lunchable.

He's not going to eat ham.

We're talking girlfriends. So, like, I could understand wives not wanting to be with girlfriends, but we're not talking about wives and girlfriends of the same player. Yes, we are. Okay, yeah. No, I mean, we had that situation on our teams also in the travel secretary, but it's only eight home games. The travel secretary, you could... I mean, I remember guys...

having to put people in different spots and then that becomes an argument because there is one spot where you get access to friends and family like the little backstage area and then if you don't get access to that you recognize that you a side piece surprise surprise i'm in a 300 level customs stopped and i'm outside oh i don't get the wristband this week this is incredible dominique this is all true and i love that you're backing me on this and now picture 81 home games

We are far, far away from the building championship culture now, just staying afloat. Hopefully, we don't have a fight in the stands between wives and girlfriends. That is a lot. The biggest benefit, I think, to the star players was also a benefit to the team for us in football because football practice is intense. That was the thing that stood out where we were like, damn, must be nice.

You ain't got to practice today. And it was one because they were had enough credibility. They knew they would be fine. But two, because their bodies were breaking down. So it was like it's kind of a special dispensation. But it also was like we need you on Sunday. So how about you chill out on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday? We give you some drugs on Sunday morning and you go play.

And then you recover next week by watching film and not practicing.

How prevalent is that in baseball? Because that to me sounds so... And again, it's about the length of the season, but it sounds so absurd to me in the football context. Like any player who did that, it would be like... it would feel like an affront to the team. This is a big percentage of your schedule. Yeah, guys would be so mad at a guy who showed, like, hey, we got to work.

Like, you showed up to – I've been on teams where a guy had a drinking problem and showed up to practice drunk all the time. And we wanted him out more than the coaches did. Like, it's – our livelihood and safety, frankly, is dependent on – and I guess baseball is a very individual –

Which you got the tuna from a store.

No, I really do, actually. Even though you snitched on him.

He didn't get in trouble because he objected to that.

Yeah, you're welcome.

Yeah, I didn't realize that. I retract your previous criticism.

I joke about how you have content brain all the time. But I'm not joking. This is the most content brain of all content brain. We can talk about it. It's fine. As long as David is comfortable talking about it.

I know. This is not rehearsed. I've never heard this question before.

I read the other article getting ready to talk about that, but I'm fine with this. Let's do it. I think we've talked enough about bodies. Yeah. Spoiler alert. And locker rooms.

That's the worst, right? Not the best. That's the worst gift.

as if he wasn't giving it the year prior. So I'm not a big gift guy. And so I... would guess that this is probably also consistent with other things that you felt. Because I don't really consider myself a great gift buyer. I don't really want gifts from anybody in my life. But I do consider myself a good friend, partner, parent.

And I consider people around me good to me without giving me any good gifts. Because when you ask me that question, I go back to my childhood. And think about the Sega Genesis, which had no meaning to me, had no value. It's just like the happiest I remember being opening a present was like... a Sega Genesis that I really wanted.

Most of the other times, I don't know, at a certain age, I don't really care about gifts, and it's really hard to find a gift that'll grab your attention, right?

Oh, my God. Do you give good gifts or have you over the course of your children's lives given them good gifts? No. It's funny because you recognize how much it hurts you and you're just like, yeah, do it to them too.

But the goose is clearly not happy with it.

Yeah, I don't think we do at all. Yeah, my kids always ask me what I want, and I always tell them, give me a hug. This year, my oldest daughter kept asking me, so I said, I would like you to put your clothes away every day from now until Christmas without me asking you. And she rolled her eyes at me. So I was like, I don't know. I don't... Like, write me a card.

Coupons. Yes.

Tell me something. Tell me something happy, David. Something happy about your childhood. No, I mean, I just want to hear something happy about your childhood. Or something that, some experience with your children that you had that was, like, incredibly meaningful.

I found out that the depths of Pablo's content brain know no floor. Mm-hmm.

But I think the broader point that I think is probably interesting about this conversation is not this specific negotiation, but superstar treatment. And what I took out of this particular article was... I feel very strongly about organizational culture.

And I think part of setting a culture of an organization, particularly in professional sports, is about making it clear what's acceptable and what's not acceptable. I tend to believe that those things are non-negotiable because once you start to bend on those things, you are a bit like compromising the culture.

And I think I've defined organizational culture for a bunch of different people, a bunch of different times, because I think in sports, we talk about culture a lot and we rarely understand it.

A no-trade clause is different from recliner. I think a recliner is a better example. But I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying, so first of all, I think it's important to define what culture is in an organization. And I think it's like the acceptable processes and behaviors. And those are different from organization to organization. And I think the recliner point is more interesting.

The no trade clause, to me, doesn't bleed into the culture of an organization. That's just like, I mean, maybe you seem to disagree.

And so maybe that's different in MLB than in football, but I didn't feel that way at all. But I mean, I think it's fair to say that all of your decisions and all of your actions impact your culture to some degree. Some of them are negligible and some of them are enormous. And I think you're willing to bend on the negligible ones for players who are worth it.

The question is, are you going to bend on the big ones? That's where the rubber meets the road in a conversation about Juan Soto or about any organizational culture.

On the outside, absolutely, yes. Having a whole roster spot reserved for your brother. But the funny thing is, anytime you talk to anybody about Thanasis Antetokounmpo, and I interviewed him for my show that's More highly rated than yours. How dare you.

And anytime you talk to anybody about him, they talk about how he was the one who helped to instill and institute the culture of the team that was celebrated. When someone was slacking, even though Thanasis wasn't a high producer, he was the one that would call them to the carpet. When someone had to say something to Giannis, he was the one who did it.

And even though he wasn't a great player, I find that incredibly interesting because I would see that as... The ultimate. Yeah, it's similar to like how right now people see the Bronny situation. Right. It's like, oh, well, this organization isn't serious about winning if they're giving a roster spot to a family member. But it's funny because obviously I'm not on that team.

But anyone who you talk to who's been on that team and even guys who are gone now who have no reason to like protect him would say that, no, he was important to the culture of this team.

Are you talking about making a sandwich? Do you call it a custom build? When was the last time you fed yourself?

Yeah, I mean, so football is kind of different in that there's the quarterbacks and then there's everybody else and there's the good quarterbacks and then there's everybody else. I never played on a team with like a Hall of Fame quarterback, but there is something about, and this is a broader cultural thing, there's something about the culture of football that's very different from basketball.

I don't know baseball culture nearly as well or hockey culture, but basketball culture I feel like I know pretty well. And it's very, the hierarchy in basketball culture is obviously very clear and such that it's understood and not bucked against and there's no shame. It's almost like pride in being that guy who can subvert the rules and who can show up late.

Yeah. So, I mean, I know that's a thing and you hear it about all types of great players who have success in football. On the other hand, I've been on teams where guys obviously had like some special treatment, but it was minimally special. Like they didn't have the suite in the hotel when we traveled. They didn't show up. They showed up to meetings five minutes early, just like everyone else.

And there's a very like team oriented thing about football players where it's like the one thing I remember my rookie year. I'm sorry. Go ahead, David.

No, but I mean, I know where everybody is staying. So there's a table put out with all the keys on it, with all the numbers on it. The team is pretty big. And then you end up on the same floor as certain guys. Like, I've had rooms next to the star players on the teams before, and we all get up and go.

No, we never did a joining room slumber party.

We didn't have that situation. I imagine that some people, and also that it didn't really care. I think that competitiveness wasn't there. And also, like I mentioned, there was bed check. That was one thing. Some people would have bed check. And we thought at first, when we first got there, everybody had bed check.

But of course, nobody was going into the 32-year-old starting quarterback's room and saying, are you there at 11 o'clock? But they were there at 11 o'clock. It was like, we only travel but so many times. So those were the things that were slightly different. I will say that the big... Advantage that I remember was my rookie year.

We were 13 and 3 we won in San Diego on New Year's Eve at the Chargers and We were headed to the flight headed to the plane because we fly back immediately headed to the plane to fly back home We'd won a division and it was New Year's Eve and champ was like we should go to Vegas This is champ Bailey greatest cornerback arguably of all time.

Don't argue It is a fact and he was like we should go to Vegas and I was like, huh? Okay, tomorrow? He's like, no, from here. I'll go ask coach. I'll see if you can come too. And he said, I'll go ask coach. And so he got a private jet.

We went from San Diego to Vegas and celebrated New Year's Eve on the rooftop at Tao between the prime minister of a Caribbean nation and Britney Spears, if I remember correctly. Where's the button that I can press? That's great. There's no way that anyone else said, can I stay in this city or can I go to Vegas? That coach would have said, yeah, get your ass on that plane. Would any of us ask?

The funny thing is, I'm hesitant. Obviously, there's plenty of people to talk about how ridiculous it is. It does clearly seem like it's an assault rifle gun gesture. I understand. I appreciate, David, you acknowledging that you may not be sure, but it feels like it falls specifically in that category. Yeah.

But I also think about John Morant, and I think Zion falls in this category also, and Anthony Edwards falls in this category. I complain often about the early professionalization of youth sports and how we get kind of all these athletes who are trained to be boring. Robots. And uninteresting, and they play that way, and they act that way. And John Morant's not one of those guys.

And so I appreciate that John Morant skyrocketed in his popularity because of the way they played, and not because of the gun stuff, but because he was interesting. And I like that. But sometimes what comes along with that is he hasn't been polished.

He's a rougher rock that hasn't been through this AAU, this Nike circuit that 12-year-old talented basketball players have gone through, which is how you end up with a player like Jason Tatum, right? who plays incredibly well and says nothing that I care about.

I do have a question though. So today we start the show with you talking about how I guess your throat hurts or something. Yesterday you start the show. Do you remember what you said in introducing yourself yesterday? You said something about your bottom being clean? My bottom is fresh.

The original.

listen here you have an opportunity to really have a problem because he already lost out on the full max deal that he could get because of the issues he had so is someone actually helping him that's what the agent is supposed to be for i'm not sure that anyone's in his ear at this point like he's it feels like the people believe that he ran the coach out like he has all the power that he needs in an organization right now and i think that just to um push back on something that you said a little bit ago

I don't even necessarily think that it has to do with where the player came from as much as these things are kind of pop culture things that are gestures. Like, you'll see guys hit a three and shoot the three guns where it doesn't matter where they come from. I think that that's the question and how close the NBA wants to be aligned to those things. Obviously, they don't.

Whether they want to be...

Absolutely. So, yeah, I guess I don't know. The thing that jumped out to me about this is that they're doing an investigation. I don't think you need an investigation. No. What's the fine for doing gun gestures? Get that man the fine. Unless you plan on suspending him because of his history, this feels odd to me.

You know what I mean? I can't wait to the game tonight because Ja's in town. We should get tickets. Go see Ja and play the Heat, right?

I like it. Oh, my gosh. All right, David, before I let you go, is there anything you want us to know before you go? You want to throw out a plug for your show? Tell us how clean or dirty your bottom is, whatever the things are that you like to say.

I did. I needed it. I didn't quite get it. Like, what I was trying to do was, like, let's get excited. And David was like, hey, you know what? Don't be happy. Don't be happy. It's dark out there. Like, what I need, like, if I were. Time for a passage from David's Red Book. I was saying, like, look, I'm not a big baseball guy, but Shohei got my attention. Of course. The Dodgers may be chasing 116.

That'll get my attention. I care about it. The guy who we bring on this show who's supposed to be the big baseball guy is like, you know what? That's never going to happen. They're not going to win 116 games. And they lined up for the Shohei bobbleheads. What trash is it? That's not what I was looking for.

Such a sweetheart, man. I'm just being honest with you. I said, we're looking at the greatest team of all time. We're not, though. And he said, don't get too happy. Calm yourself down. We quite possibly are.

We quite possibly are.

All right, David, so the Dodgers are off to an 8-0 start in Shohei. I hit a walk-off last night. What about the Dodgers? So strange. Yeah, you are so strange. What about the Dodgers has got you fired up right now, buddy?

Now that you're here and Amin's gone, he tried to roast. The show's a lot more handsome. It is, dude. It got handsome. A lot more handsome.

We got to get Amin in here with you and Roy. We got to set a new record. Yesterday we set the record. We had an all-black main room.

But Roy wasn't here.

Yeah. He gave you a little something in the end there, too.

Jackie with the mid.

He's a shacket bro.

A lot of olive green. But I have to go wrong. I have to approve the new dance style because, I mean, if you're copying Jeremy, you're doing all right. Jeremy dresses well for around here. For around here? No, that's the accurate one. That's what I mean. The bar's low, but I'll take it. No, no, no. It means, oh, I don't need to hide. It means exactly what I said it was.