Don Martin

And I was like,

That's a job now?

What?

When did this become a job?

Yeah, I've been doing it so long that it went from a weird hobby to now celebrities do it for quick cash.

Oh, yeah.

Well, and that's what's crazy is that the line between you could be one of a really successful podcast and long running.

And it's like still it's well, this is grocery money.

And it's just wild, like how fast and how different it changes.

So, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, my fifth book comes out in November 2025.

Where did everybody go?

Sure, at length in the book, but the summary version is, and I was somebody that thought I wasn't a lonely person, that I had friends, and I had co-workers, and I had a job, and I had trips I told myself I would take, and I had plans, I had a life, I had a sphere of people and community, or at least I thought, and then the world shut down, and I realized, oh...

All of those little connections are a lot more tenuous than I thought they were.

It wasn't that the pandemic, it wasn't that lockdown created loneliness for me.

It's that it highlighted how fragile those community bonds were already, that how fragile they were and how fragile they'd become over the years.

And I think a lot of people started reassessing a lot of the big questions in life during lockdown, during that pandemic.

And one of the ones that I started really deep diving into was the idea of loneliness and what loneliness is and what its evolutionary purpose is in our lives and in our society.

Because obviously, if you've seen an Inside Out movie, you know that emotions themselves were there.

evolved for a purpose, right?