Donald Hoffman

So again, I would be stunned if we're right.

But at least we're precise so that we can now begin the whole process of saying, okay, at least these hypotheses are precise.

So now we can show their limits, try to prove where they reach their limits, and then move on.

Or to show that, you know, this is just fundamentally wrongheaded.

There's nothing worthwhile.

Maybe our definition of mass is just plain wrong.

We'll see.

But it's intriguing enough that I have a particle physicist who put his name on the paper with us.

It doesn't mean it's right.

It doesn't mean that he's convinced that we're right.

But we have a real particle physicist who thinks that if it's wrong, it's not obviously wrong, and it's worth pushing on.

My guess, again, we're way in over my head, but Mike, here we are.

The joy of exploration.

It's just pre-programmed.

How it is.

It's just, yeah, that the one...

is the only thing that there is, but it's infinitely changing, infinitely, it's self-exploration.

It's really infinite self-exploration and looking and enjoying and ever expanding its understanding of itself.

That would be my guess.

Well, that pleasure is just, in some sense, it's different than an evolutionary thing.