Donald Hoffman

And by the way, the reason I'm going after particle scattering is not because I have some fetish for high energy physics or something like that.

That's the simplest place that we can make our first connections with the interface.

Particles are the most elementary things that our interface has.

That's why I'm going there.

They're the simplest thing.

I'm not going for brains first because those are countless quadrillions, trillions, whatever of particles.

And so that's not the place to start.

Let's see if we can get the mathematics and the experimental data for individual particles.

So our paper is proposing, and maybe just so the people can show that we're wrong, we'll see.

But we say that mass is so-called entropy rate of the recurrent communicating classes.

And that then tells us what are massless particles and what are massive particles.

And so we're getting very specific predictions that we're going to be making about momentum and spin and energy and mass.

So this is where rubber hits the road, right?

I'm talking all this highfalutin stuff about consciousness leading to the interface.

Well, the right questions are, so what is the mass of an electron?

What part of your conscious agent dynamics is going to map into what we call mass?

What is the spin?

Why is there a hyperfine structure in the energy levels of the orbitals of electrons and so forth?

We're getting hints at answers to those kinds of questions about like the hyperfine structure.

So it's really quite interesting.