Donald Robertson
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And Socrates questions about the definition of justice and quickly shows that he doesn't really understand it. It's contradicting himself. And so this guy thinks, well, I've been reading all these books and tried to memorize what they say.
And Socrates questions about the definition of justice and quickly shows that he doesn't really understand it. It's contradicting himself. And so this guy thinks, well, I've been reading all these books and tried to memorize what they say.
But when someone tries to get me to explain the meaning of these concepts, I just kind of fall apart because he's never really thought things through very deeply. He's just parroting stuff. He's learning passively. Socrates draws a diagram. which I immediately recognized because we do it all the time in cognitive therapy. He draws two columns, right? Probably on a wax tablet or something, right?
But when someone tries to get me to explain the meaning of these concepts, I just kind of fall apart because he's never really thought things through very deeply. He's just parroting stuff. He's learning passively. Socrates draws a diagram. which I immediately recognized because we do it all the time in cognitive therapy. He draws two columns, right? Probably on a wax tablet or something, right?
But when someone tries to get me to explain the meaning of these concepts, I just kind of fall apart because he's never really thought things through very deeply. He's just parroting stuff. He's learning passively. Socrates draws a diagram. which I immediately recognized because we do it all the time in cognitive therapy. He draws two columns, right? Probably on a wax tablet or something, right?
And at the heading, at the top of one column, he writes injustice. And at the top of the other column, he writes justice. And he says, I want you to kind of brainstorm definitions of what's justice that you want to be a just individual.
And at the heading, at the top of one column, he writes injustice. And at the top of the other column, he writes justice. And he says, I want you to kind of brainstorm definitions of what's justice that you want to be a just individual.
And at the heading, at the top of one column, he writes injustice. And at the top of the other column, he writes justice. And he says, I want you to kind of brainstorm definitions of what's justice that you want to be a just individual.
like and brainstorm examples of injustice so for injustice he comes up with things like lying um or uh stealing um stuff like that right obvious examples of injustice and then socrates does exactly the same thing that we mentioned earlier he brainstorms exceptions he said okay lying what if you're an elected general and you're lying to the enemy in order to deceive them in a military campaign is that unjust or would you consider that to be just under the circumstances
like and brainstorm examples of injustice so for injustice he comes up with things like lying um or uh stealing um stuff like that right obvious examples of injustice and then socrates does exactly the same thing that we mentioned earlier he brainstorms exceptions he said okay lying what if you're an elected general and you're lying to the enemy in order to deceive them in a military campaign is that unjust or would you consider that to be just under the circumstances
like and brainstorm examples of injustice so for injustice he comes up with things like lying um or uh stealing um stuff like that right obvious examples of injustice and then socrates does exactly the same thing that we mentioned earlier he brainstorms exceptions he said okay lying what if you're an elected general and you're lying to the enemy in order to deceive them in a military campaign is that unjust or would you consider that to be just under the circumstances
and so the this young guy euthydemus is his name he says well that's different that's an exception right so he says what if you're a parent and you're trying to give your kid medicine but they won't take it unless you hide it in their food is that injustice or would that seem like it's just he says well that's different as well and then socrates uses another example that's really well known in philosophy he says what if your friend was suicidal and they come to you and say where did you hide my dagger
and so the this young guy euthydemus is his name he says well that's different that's an exception right so he says what if you're a parent and you're trying to give your kid medicine but they won't take it unless you hide it in their food is that injustice or would that seem like it's just he says well that's different as well and then socrates uses another example that's really well known in philosophy he says what if your friend was suicidal and they come to you and say where did you hide my dagger
and so the this young guy euthydemus is his name he says well that's different that's an exception right so he says what if you're a parent and you're trying to give your kid medicine but they won't take it unless you hide it in their food is that injustice or would that seem like it's just he says well that's different as well and then socrates uses another example that's really well known in philosophy he says what if your friend was suicidal and they come to you and say where did you hide my dagger
Like, would you lie to them and pretend that you don't know? Or would you say, oh, I guess I have this over there, you know, take it. And he says, well, that's different as well. These are kind of unusual circumstances. So Socrates says, well, maybe then there's more nuance to this idea that justice consists in always telling the truth and never lying.
Like, would you lie to them and pretend that you don't know? Or would you say, oh, I guess I have this over there, you know, take it. And he says, well, that's different as well. These are kind of unusual circumstances. So Socrates says, well, maybe then there's more nuance to this idea that justice consists in always telling the truth and never lying.
Like, would you lie to them and pretend that you don't know? Or would you say, oh, I guess I have this over there, you know, take it. And he says, well, that's different as well. These are kind of unusual circumstances. So Socrates says, well, maybe then there's more nuance to this idea that justice consists in always telling the truth and never lying.
Like, you seem to think that there's more to it than that. There's other perspectives, right? And this technique of drawing two columns, we can literally do it on coping strategies to get people to think, when would you practice mindfulness and what might be the pros and cons of doing that? When might you try to fake it to make it? And when might that be a bad idea?
Like, you seem to think that there's more to it than that. There's other perspectives, right? And this technique of drawing two columns, we can literally do it on coping strategies to get people to think, when would you practice mindfulness and what might be the pros and cons of doing that? When might you try to fake it to make it? And when might that be a bad idea?
Like, you seem to think that there's more to it than that. There's other perspectives, right? And this technique of drawing two columns, we can literally do it on coping strategies to get people to think, when would you practice mindfulness and what might be the pros and cons of doing that? When might you try to fake it to make it? And when might that be a bad idea?