Donald Robertson
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Maybe they'd lend you money if you're broke. Maybe if you were being a bit out of order, they'd take you to one side and gently kind of explain to you that you should change your behavior and stuff like that. So quite easily, he's able to kind of define what a good friend is. But then Socrates says, well, how many of these qualities do you exhibit yourself?
Maybe they'd lend you money if you're broke. Maybe if you were being a bit out of order, they'd take you to one side and gently kind of explain to you that you should change your behavior and stuff like that. So quite easily, he's able to kind of define what a good friend is. But then Socrates says, well, how many of these qualities do you exhibit yourself?
And Cretopolis is like, well, not many, like, you know, zero. I don't know. So Socrates says, again, haven't you got this back to front? You're kind of asking me to present you to these people as if you would be a good match, as if you would be a good friend to them. But they're bound to figure out if you don't have any of these qualities, and then they won't trust me as a matchmaker of friends.
And Cretopolis is like, well, not many, like, you know, zero. I don't know. So Socrates says, again, haven't you got this back to front? You're kind of asking me to present you to these people as if you would be a good match, as if you would be a good friend to them. But they're bound to figure out if you don't have any of these qualities, and then they won't trust me as a matchmaker of friends.
And Cretopolis is like, well, not many, like, you know, zero. I don't know. So Socrates says, again, haven't you got this back to front? You're kind of asking me to present you to these people as if you would be a good match, as if you would be a good friend to them. But they're bound to figure out if you don't have any of these qualities, and then they won't trust me as a matchmaker of friends.
And they're going to lose faith in you as a friend as well. You should have come to me and asked me how you could become a good friend yourself, how you could improve yourself. So you're exhibiting a double standard. You're applying one standard to other people in terms of friendship, but a different standard or no standard to yourself. This is a kind of moral hypocrisy, if you like.
And they're going to lose faith in you as a friend as well. You should have come to me and asked me how you could become a good friend yourself, how you could improve yourself. So you're exhibiting a double standard. You're applying one standard to other people in terms of friendship, but a different standard or no standard to yourself. This is a kind of moral hypocrisy, if you like.
And they're going to lose faith in you as a friend as well. You should have come to me and asked me how you could become a good friend yourself, how you could improve yourself. So you're exhibiting a double standard. You're applying one standard to other people in terms of friendship, but a different standard or no standard to yourself. This is a kind of moral hypocrisy, if you like.
So often Socrates is drawing people's attention to the fact that they're exhibiting moral double standards. And we do similar things in modern cognitive therapy as well. Sometimes people think philosophical ethics can be quite subtle and quite nuanced, and it often is. But in many cases, we can make moral progress, I think, just by not being hypocrites.
So often Socrates is drawing people's attention to the fact that they're exhibiting moral double standards. And we do similar things in modern cognitive therapy as well. Sometimes people think philosophical ethics can be quite subtle and quite nuanced, and it often is. But in many cases, we can make moral progress, I think, just by not being hypocrites.
So often Socrates is drawing people's attention to the fact that they're exhibiting moral double standards. And we do similar things in modern cognitive therapy as well. Sometimes people think philosophical ethics can be quite subtle and quite nuanced, and it often is. But in many cases, we can make moral progress, I think, just by not being hypocrites.
The one thing that the majority of people agree on is that you shouldn't contradict yourself.
The one thing that the majority of people agree on is that you shouldn't contradict yourself.
The one thing that the majority of people agree on is that you shouldn't contradict yourself.
morally you know and if you're saying one thing and doing another like if you're applying a double standard most people agree there's something wrong there like and it's reason that helps us to spot those contradictions and attempt to resolve them so there's a simple way i think that many people can make in progress in terms of morality and self-improvement just by questioning their own standards in the way that socrates teaches these young men to
morally you know and if you're saying one thing and doing another like if you're applying a double standard most people agree there's something wrong there like and it's reason that helps us to spot those contradictions and attempt to resolve them so there's a simple way i think that many people can make in progress in terms of morality and self-improvement just by questioning their own standards in the way that socrates teaches these young men to
morally you know and if you're saying one thing and doing another like if you're applying a double standard most people agree there's something wrong there like and it's reason that helps us to spot those contradictions and attempt to resolve them so there's a simple way i think that many people can make in progress in terms of morality and self-improvement just by questioning their own standards in the way that socrates teaches these young men to
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think there are a number, let me kind of explain what he's doing, I think, from a different perspective, from a more psychological perspective, right? And in doing that, I'll maybe make its relevance a bit more apparent to modern self-improvement.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think there are a number, let me kind of explain what he's doing, I think, from a different perspective, from a more psychological perspective, right? And in doing that, I'll maybe make its relevance a bit more apparent to modern self-improvement.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think there are a number, let me kind of explain what he's doing, I think, from a different perspective, from a more psychological perspective, right? And in doing that, I'll maybe make its relevance a bit more apparent to modern self-improvement.