Donald Robertson
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In court, he said, you guys that are putting me on trial and convincing the jury to sentence me to death unjustly are harming yourselves more than you're harming me. Epictetus quotes him at the last sentence of the Enchiridion. He says, Anetus and Miletus, the two guys that brought him to trial, can kill me, but they cannot harm me. Which is crazy. That's hardcore.
In court, he said, you guys that are putting me on trial and convincing the jury to sentence me to death unjustly are harming yourselves more than you're harming me. Epictetus quotes him at the last sentence of the Enchiridion. He says, Anetus and Miletus, the two guys that brought him to trial, can kill me, but they cannot harm me. Which is crazy. That's hardcore.
In court, he said, you guys that are putting me on trial and convincing the jury to sentence me to death unjustly are harming yourselves more than you're harming me. Epictetus quotes him at the last sentence of the Enchiridion. He says, Anetus and Miletus, the two guys that brought him to trial, can kill me, but they cannot harm me. Which is crazy. That's hardcore.
First of all, the guy that believes that, hats off to him. Like, you know, no wonder he was resilient. Do we agree with him? There may be a case for it, but it's an extreme... A bit like, you know, an extreme version of stoicism, basically. Nevertheless... In relation to modern psychology, I think there's a lot we can take from it.
First of all, the guy that believes that, hats off to him. Like, you know, no wonder he was resilient. Do we agree with him? There may be a case for it, but it's an extreme... A bit like, you know, an extreme version of stoicism, basically. Nevertheless... In relation to modern psychology, I think there's a lot we can take from it.
First of all, the guy that believes that, hats off to him. Like, you know, no wonder he was resilient. Do we agree with him? There may be a case for it, but it's an extreme... A bit like, you know, an extreme version of stoicism, basically. Nevertheless... In relation to modern psychology, I think there's a lot we can take from it.
So there's a body of research that shows that people who suffer from clinical depression tend to have high levels of perceived injustice, right? And we also know that anger is linked to depression, and anger is also very directly linked to the perception of injustice, right? So how could our philosophy of justice affect emotions like anger and depression?
So there's a body of research that shows that people who suffer from clinical depression tend to have high levels of perceived injustice, right? And we also know that anger is linked to depression, and anger is also very directly linked to the perception of injustice, right? So how could our philosophy of justice affect emotions like anger and depression?
So there's a body of research that shows that people who suffer from clinical depression tend to have high levels of perceived injustice, right? And we also know that anger is linked to depression, and anger is also very directly linked to the perception of injustice, right? So how could our philosophy of justice affect emotions like anger and depression?
Well, if we agreed with Socrates, right, that our own injustice does us more harm than the injustice of others, then maybe we wouldn't become as depressed when we perceive injustice in the world around us. We might still object to that. We might still defy it. but we might respond to it differently emotionally.
Well, if we agreed with Socrates, right, that our own injustice does us more harm than the injustice of others, then maybe we wouldn't become as depressed when we perceive injustice in the world around us. We might still object to that. We might still defy it. but we might respond to it differently emotionally.
Well, if we agreed with Socrates, right, that our own injustice does us more harm than the injustice of others, then maybe we wouldn't become as depressed when we perceive injustice in the world around us. We might still object to that. We might still defy it. but we might respond to it differently emotionally.
Socrates was fearless in court because he believed that the acts of injustice being inflicted on him couldn't really harm him because they could take away his property, his reputation, and even his life, but they couldn't harm his moral character. And that was the most important thing to him. On his deathbed, he'd think, did I maintain my integrity throughout life?
Socrates was fearless in court because he believed that the acts of injustice being inflicted on him couldn't really harm him because they could take away his property, his reputation, and even his life, but they couldn't harm his moral character. And that was the most important thing to him. On his deathbed, he'd think, did I maintain my integrity throughout life?
Socrates was fearless in court because he believed that the acts of injustice being inflicted on him couldn't really harm him because they could take away his property, his reputation, and even his life, but they couldn't harm his moral character. And that was the most important thing to him. On his deathbed, he'd think, did I maintain my integrity throughout life?
You guys can't take that away from me. Only I can do that to myself, right? Now, what's true in anyone's eyes, even if they don't go as far as that, time and time again what you'll find in therapy when you're working with people who are very angry, for instance, is that their anger usually, just at a practical level, does them more harm than the things that they're angry about.
You guys can't take that away from me. Only I can do that to myself, right? Now, what's true in anyone's eyes, even if they don't go as far as that, time and time again what you'll find in therapy when you're working with people who are very angry, for instance, is that their anger usually, just at a practical level, does them more harm than the things that they're angry about.
You guys can't take that away from me. Only I can do that to myself, right? Now, what's true in anyone's eyes, even if they don't go as far as that, time and time again what you'll find in therapy when you're working with people who are very angry, for instance, is that their anger usually, just at a practical level, does them more harm than the things that they're angry about.
Maybe not in every single case, but I struggle to think of a case where that's not true. In virtually every client I work with, when we sit down and go, what are the consequences of your anger? And one reason for that is that anger by its very nature impairs our ability to think about the consequences themselves. That's why angry people act impulsively, right? It's well known.
Maybe not in every single case, but I struggle to think of a case where that's not true. In virtually every client I work with, when we sit down and go, what are the consequences of your anger? And one reason for that is that anger by its very nature impairs our ability to think about the consequences themselves. That's why angry people act impulsively, right? It's well known.