Donncha O'Callaghan

So I don't want to be overly harsh on us, but he was definitely a herd mentality, wasn't it?

It was this kind of, you know, if someone did something, it was like, yeah, geez, that's,

the one to do.

We all need to start looking at Luton, getting the Olympics or... Let it go, Donners.

Let it go.

Yeah, I do...

One thing I miss most than anything is that honest appraisal.

You know what I mean?

You probably find it a little bit.

People tell you an awful lot what you want to hear, isn't it?

No one wants to have the thorny conversation.

Whereas in rugby, everyone in the environment, I was lucky to be in, they had that a lot.

They were able to tell you, listen, at the moment, your defence is shit.

And if it doesn't improve, you're not only going to

hurt yourself and get the boot but it's going to come at a cost for us so I'll help you like let us do more defence together but get on top of it I'm like give me the feedback give it to me 100% how much how ruthless can you be and they're like oh no no no we don't do you mean like

Yeah, and look, I understand HR issues, but I do think there needs to, especially at kind of top end of stuff, you know what I mean?

At the pointy end.

Yeah.

When you're accountable to a boss, they need to be able to give it to you straight between the eyes without worrying whether it's going to, you know what I mean, make it work.

Wealth, you know what I mean?