Chapter 1: What insights do Tommy Bowe and Donncha O'Callaghan share about life after rugby?
Hello and welcome to the Dressing Room. Well, after an action-packed weekend of Champions Rugby, Challenge Cup Rugby, it was pretty eventful this weekend. But we thought we'd... Well, first of all, Doneca's there telling me I have a couple of random stories for you. So we might as well... We might get one or two of those out as well. But I also want to talk to you about...
in life after rugby the psychology of it how you found stepping away from rugby obviously you went down the media route a little bit like myself we've both kind of done little bits of business you see i just saw gary neville sold his podcast the overlap to global uh whatever else like you see some people doing amazing things in life after rugby and just thought
it might be interesting to kind of dissect that. Who's better, the kind of the backs or the forwards? Oh, right. Brilliant.
Make that one as well. Yeah, because it is... Actually, it's a great topic. I'm looking forward to chatting about it because just broad strokes, it's way harder than I thought. Isn't it, Tommy? Yeah.
Chapter 2: How do former rugby players cope with the psychological challenges of retirement?
I... I kind of just, I set myself up kind of putting kind of money away so that I wouldn't kind of overstretch and have to do things out of being desperate. But then you're so lost in ways. I remember having a great chat with Derval O'Rourke and her telling me it's taken her nearly five years to kind of totally kind of come away from it and start. You know what I mean? Because... It's emotional.
It's tough. You lose a player pool, all that kind of stuff. You know, it's harder than people give credit.
I had a chat with Derval O'Rourke about Life After Sport as well. Yeah, well, we both did it. Remember we both did documentaries around this? Yes, that's right. So we thought we'd milk a few quid out of it as well.
Chapter 3: What advice do retired athletes give about managing finances after sports?
Derval was on ours. And I thought I was going down to Cork and... I was driving down to Durville and I was kind of thinking, oh, she's an individual athlete. You know, she wouldn't get the home team environment. She wouldn't get really where I'm coming from. But listen, we're going down there. We're going to ask her a few questions and see what... She was the best out of everybody I spoke to.
And like I spoke to Paul McGrath, E.P. McCoy, loads of different people. But she...
hit the nail on the head and just the big thing that she said with me in terms of I kind of said to her like stepping away from it like you're at the European Championships or you're at a big event and you're commentating on it now do you not have that hunger that like felt sad about it and she goes no do you know what I thought to myself I've been there I was down there on those starting blocks I've been there and got a medal at it
And actually just reframe it like that. Honestly, it just flicked a switch inside me. It was amazing.
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Chapter 4: How important is mentorship for athletes transitioning to life after rugby?
Because we spent some time on Ireland's fittest family together. And she identified with me because she saw... We were lucky. She was in around our building an awful lot. She was at the Irupa rep in Cork. So the players... And I remember she had an awful lot of frustrations about stuff like that.
Fellas were more interested in doing barista courses than masters that she would get for free and stuff like that. So it did drive her absolutely crazy. But I remember her just being really candid and honest with me. She was there. The biggest area I see you're going to struggle a little bit is the schedule. And she was there. I have a really easy fix for you.
And I remember we used to get the macro schedule. You get your week and it was nearly color coded for different things.
Chapter 5: What are the common mistakes former players make in their career transitions?
Red was rugby, yellow was kind of meetings, blue was weight and green was power. She was there. Okay, now just put them in different things. So now yellow is preparation. You know what I mean? For meetings that are coming up and then read his meetings and fill it out this way. And it was actually such a useful tool for me. And she was there like, I don't mean to be harsh, right?
But you're used to looking at the dress code one, dress code two. She was there just reframing that. No, dress code one is a jumper and a shirt. You know what I mean? And that's why you were walking around the place. And I was there, oh my God. I know it sounds really stupid, but she was there.
Chapter 6: How do former athletes find purpose and structure in their post-rugby lives?
What you don't need is to absolutely rip away the foundation. You know what I mean? I love that. I love that. That's brilliant. Yeah, yeah. She's great. She's incredible.
Because the structure is what we are so used to. And I felt so lost without that structure. having to be somewhere at a certain time every day. Having a purpose to eat right, to get to bed early, to wear the right gear. Like, and I just, for the early couple of years when I retired and I was, I filled my days and I was busy, but I just didn't have that same purpose to drive it every week.
And that's quite interesting with the calendar. Yeah, I'd say that really worked.
Chapter 7: What role does honest feedback play in the professional lives of retired athletes?
I remember doing another thing, like she was there, what are your values? And I was there. Oh, Jesus. Fucking deep for a chat in the middle of a bog. You know what I mean?
Did she say that? Did she?
Yeah, I struggled with that. I was there. Oh, geez. And then she was there. OK, like, what would you? I couldn't answer the question. You know what I mean? She's there.
Chapter 8: What humorous stories do Tommy and Donncha share about their experiences?
What would you say Munster and Ireland are? And straight away, I was there, like, honestly, hard work, stuff like that. And she was there. That's you. You led to that. You know what I mean? That's not exclusive for them. You don't have to leave them there. You can take them now. Borrow them for a while till you find out what they are. So nobody works harder still in your areas.
No one is more honest in the areas that you're about to go into. Like putting your hand up and accepting that you don't know stuff or that you have to get greater help or you need more training. It's OK to ask for it, isn't it? I remember it just being real kind of like she was there. They don't own that. You know what I mean? You actually help that. So you can take that away.
I was there like this. God, that's so pricey. Like instead of me kind of going, oh, I'm such a float now. Like, you know what I mean? I need to find out my true purpose. She was there. You just did it for 20 years for them. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't stop.
I love that, man. That's... I'm inspired.
Honestly. She's great. Honestly, she's so good. And do you know what? I get a good laugh as well. She's the key... At the time, she... Artie, her little boy, was quite young and was knocking around on Fidda's family because she was still feeding at the time.
So I'd be walking around and she'd be holding Artie and I'd be going around with her breast pump in a Tom Durkan freezer bag around the place. And he signed it on her. He's gone for a flat white. Someone give him a shout. He's gone off on my breast pump.
It's actually fucked through the middle of some bog.
Trying to squeeze a flat white out of him.
Do you know what? Another thing you said there that's quite interesting. I'd say a lot of people and people who might listen to this might be, know other sports people or might, this is just general career advice as well. So you put money aside as well, kind of to give yourself a float. Did you get advice on that too?
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