Donnell Rawlings

For some reason, I think that kind of fuels you to be the person that you are, to be determined to do it and not give a fuck about what anybody thinks.

So how did you go from that to, okay, for you to have one of the biggest podcasts, at some point in your career, you had to be likable, or you think people just wanted to do this show because it was a platform?

There wasn't very many podcasts back then.

Right.

But the people that host these podcasts now, I think people go on these podcasts now and like this, this is going to be clickbait.

We're going to go viral.

Do you think that these salacious interviews, these interviews with the provactor?

I don't think about it.

You know what's so funny?

I will say this.

You know what's funny about what you said?

That I was with Dave a while ago, and he echoed the exact same thing, and I was having this conversation with him.

He said, D, I don't even think about that shit.

Do you think your success made you a more calm person to not give a fuck?

No, I'm just saying.

His own brother stole from him.

I know Dane is like this.

Yeah, it's very interesting.

And I'm at a place right now.

I was with Jon Hamm, right?