Doug Lesmerises

I didn't know they blocked eight punts in the last two years, and guess what?

That's super mattered.

That's very well said, Andrew.

Good point.

Blake, what do you got here?

yeah yeah and it's all wrapped together blake right i mean like the coaching creates the culture the culture makes the coaching better um but that's interesting that you witnessed that because like we saw it like on twitter or something right but like there was a real you're saying there's a real vibe that you sensed from indiana just being in that heisman room yeah and that was the time i honestly i said to a couple of indiana guys i was like

You see the Elmo impersonators out there in Times Square when you went out there with the Heisman?

You got to pay them.

Don't do that.

That's how they get you.

Yeah.

That cowboy guy in his underwear?

You see the naked cowboy in a parking garage?

You got to run, bro.

Be careful in there.

Landis, what's your lesson?

I will say, I think there's some people who say that Nick Saban got out just in time as the sport flattens and you can't stockpile talent the same way.

I think what Cignetti is doing, Bill, it's, it makes me think a little, you know, I think Saban would have found a way.

Cause if now we're in the margins, we're in the details, we're in the best coaching.

I almost like it would have been a challenge for Nick Saban to stick around and be like, okay, maybe I don't have quite as many first round picks, but I want to try to out coach you.