Doug Lesmerises

Right.

Because it's interesting now, um,

We all, everyone does the coaching list and Cignetti is going to be the top of every coaching list, but sometimes best coaches are really just like the guys who are in charge of the most talent.

And I wonder if we'll really dig in and try to evaluate coaching now, because as you said, it's maybe going to have even more of a direct, you think it's going to have a more direct impact on winning?

Let's do... Mine is...

I think I, for a long time, I've like disrespected the lower levels of college football.

And I will say just double checking Indiana's like the guys who mattered, who played for them.

There aren't as many, I was like, man, there's so many like up transfers on this team.

There's actually not as many as I remembered.

There are like six JMU guys who matter among their guys who play Aiden Fisher and D'Angelo Pons and guys like that.

There's a, there's a Western Kentucky guy, but there's a lot of other sideways transfers, a lot of other power for transfers.

But I will say, um,

What these JMU guys have done has made me, I think, believe and realize that, you know, obviously the best G6 teams, they're not as good as the best power four teams, but their best eight or 10 or 12 players, I think might be as good.

And I think this is a little proof of that.

And so it puts me on alert, both for guys like that who are transferring to Power 4 programs, but also just when you think about those teams, if they can put their best players in position to maybe win them games, will a G5 team win a playoff game?

I think they will one day.

it, you know, we, you don't want to overdo it with that Indiana stuff, but like D'Angelo ponds opened my eyes a little bit.

And, and it makes me think sort of like, how, how does this happen?

We know how it happened.

It's like really talented players who are a step slow, a couple inches short, a couple, you know, 10 or 15 pounds light, that kind of thing.