Dr. Abraham Morgentaler

No, no, no. But we published doing the Journal of Medicine together with my former fellow or nanny Roden that this in 2004 that we just could not find a single piece of evidence that supported this idea that testosterone was dangerous for prostate cancer. We couldn't find it. We didn't say it didn't exist. We say we can't find it.

No, no, no. But we published doing the Journal of Medicine together with my former fellow or nanny Roden that this in 2004 that we just could not find a single piece of evidence that supported this idea that testosterone was dangerous for prostate cancer. We couldn't find it. We didn't say it didn't exist. We say we can't find it.

And the editors at New England Journal, they didn't want to publish that. That was a crazy idea. Everybody was taught this around the world in medical school. It was a foundational concept in oncology that testosterone makes prostate cancer grow. It's bad. You can't use it. And they sent it out over the course of a year to three sets of reviewers.

And the editors at New England Journal, they didn't want to publish that. That was a crazy idea. Everybody was taught this around the world in medical school. It was a foundational concept in oncology that testosterone makes prostate cancer grow. It's bad. You can't use it. And they sent it out over the course of a year to three sets of reviewers.

First urologists, they couldn't find anything wrong with it. Then three endocrinologists, they couldn't find anything. Finally, to three oncologists. And listen, when we did it, I was relatively young. I thought maybe we missed it. I mean, I believed it until actually I pulled all those papers. I believed That high testosterone must still be a problem in some way, even though I couldn't define it.

First urologists, they couldn't find anything wrong with it. Then three endocrinologists, they couldn't find anything. Finally, to three oncologists. And listen, when we did it, I was relatively young. I thought maybe we missed it. I mean, I believed it until actually I pulled all those papers. I believed That high testosterone must still be a problem in some way, even though I couldn't define it.

But that's what I've been taught. And then nobody could find any fault in what we'd written. So it was published, 2004. It took a year. And so I'm kind of on the lecture circuit within medicine and urology. And I'm talking about how we couldn't find the evidence, blah, blah, blah. And there's a great prostate cancer specialist named Paul Lang. And he was on the same faculty at this thing.

But that's what I've been taught. And then nobody could find any fault in what we'd written. So it was published, 2004. It took a year. And so I'm kind of on the lecture circuit within medicine and urology. And I'm talking about how we couldn't find the evidence, blah, blah, blah. And there's a great prostate cancer specialist named Paul Lang. And he was on the same faculty at this thing.

I think it was at Vail. And we're talking afterwards. And he says, listen, Abe, this is really interesting stuff you got, but you better be careful. Because it could be different in metastatic cancer. Huggins said so. So I'd heard, of course, of Huggins. Huggins is probably the most important, biggest character in all of urology. Prostate cancer is our biggest topic.

I think it was at Vail. And we're talking afterwards. And he says, listen, Abe, this is really interesting stuff you got, but you better be careful. Because it could be different in metastatic cancer. Huggins said so. So I'd heard, of course, of Huggins. Huggins is probably the most important, biggest character in all of urology. Prostate cancer is our biggest topic.

He's the prostate cancer guy, Nobel Prize winner, the only urologist to ever win the Nobel Prize. So everybody knows Huggins. But we didn't have access at that time to articles online the way we do today. You can pull up Huggins' article now in 20 seconds. I'll give you a couple of keywords. You'll have it. But not then.

He's the prostate cancer guy, Nobel Prize winner, the only urologist to ever win the Nobel Prize. So everybody knows Huggins. But we didn't have access at that time to articles online the way we do today. You can pull up Huggins' article now in 20 seconds. I'll give you a couple of keywords. You'll have it. But not then.

Where articles, especially old literature, existed was in bound volumes of published journals. And in a department of urology or any department, surgery, gastroenterology, whatever, people would have their bound volumes behind their desk. But it's stuff that they had collected. And maybe it went back there in practice 15 years. They had 15 years worth of bound journals.

Where articles, especially old literature, existed was in bound volumes of published journals. And in a department of urology or any department, surgery, gastroenterology, whatever, people would have their bound volumes behind their desk. But it's stuff that they had collected. And maybe it went back there in practice 15 years. They had 15 years worth of bound journals.

I was very proud when I started getting my own journals bound. But nobody had articles that went back 40 years. Right. To do that, you had to go to this crazy building that housed old stuff. It's called the library. People don't even know. Never been. People don't. Yeah. And down in the basement of the Harvard. And so I went because this guy, Paul Lang, said to me, Huggins said so. Excuse me.

I was very proud when I started getting my own journals bound. But nobody had articles that went back 40 years. Right. To do that, you had to go to this crazy building that housed old stuff. It's called the library. People don't even know. Never been. People don't. Yeah. And down in the basement of the Harvard. And so I went because this guy, Paul Lang, said to me, Huggins said so. Excuse me.

Well, we knew about it, but I'd never read his articles. I knew what people said about his article. I knew what my former teachers taught me about his article. So at some point I said, I got to see what he wrote. I was nervous about it. Armpits were sweating is the whole thing. Well, to be honest, I had a good thing going around this testosterone product.

Well, we knew about it, but I'd never read his articles. I knew what people said about his article. I knew what my former teachers taught me about his article. So at some point I said, I got to see what he wrote. I was nervous about it. Armpits were sweating is the whole thing. Well, to be honest, I had a good thing going around this testosterone product.

My patients were happy and I didn't want to mess it up. And in the end, I said, I got to do it. So I go down to the basement of the library. There are all these old, dusty volumes. You take it out, you have to blow the dust off the top. And there it is, 1941 Cancer Research. And there's the article by Huggins and Hodges. And I read through it. And I had two small children at the time.

My patients were happy and I didn't want to mess it up. And in the end, I said, I got to do it. So I go down to the basement of the library. There are all these old, dusty volumes. You take it out, you have to blow the dust off the top. And there it is, 1941 Cancer Research. And there's the article by Huggins and Hodges. And I read through it. And I had two small children at the time.