Dr. Adam Goldman

That's what changed in time.

Well, actually, it was really out of school.

I mean, I graduated my fellowship in 1998.

Right.

And really, there was very little information about varicose veins, even though it's something that's been, it's an ancient, it's actually described back in a papyrus in Egypt.

Oh, you're kidding.

No, no.

And in fact... They lived long enough to have them?

Yeah, yeah.

No, no.

And then there was documentation that one of the emperors of Rome...

had varicose vein procedure done on one of his legs, but it was before they had anesthesia.

And it was written that he refused to do the other leg because the treatment was worse than the disease.

So, yeah.

And then really the understanding of varicose veins goes way back.

Yeah.

But there wasn't much you did about it, and so people didn't really seek treatment.

And there wasn't a lot of – it wasn't as widespread.

And then as things evolved and became easier, and this happened way after my trial, I said, really, the first landmark trial was in 2005.

So before that,