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Dr. Alan O'Sullivan

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The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

I already mentioned this idea that we find optimism, great optimism by equity analysts and investors at times like 2000 when we had had a rear view of very strong performance, so very strong earnings growth and actual asset returns.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And again, there's that flavor also in recent years that we have had this strength.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And so that's an example of over-extrapolative expectations.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

Actually, long-run analysis does suggest that, for example, abnormal growth

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

can last typically a couple of years, but not more than that.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

But markets tend to think that it can be 10 years or more than that and price things accordingly.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And sometimes it works like with Amazon and Microsoft and so on, Google, but most of the time it doesn't and that leads you to bad investment results.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

But anyway, we do find that in equities, it's quite common to be extrapolative.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

So then it was very interesting when I started to sort of go back to my old love.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

I was originally a bond guy, so thinking about bond yields and interest rate expectations.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And there's a pretty famous pattern known from 2010s that while treasury yields were falling and falling most years,

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

there was always an upward sloping yield curve or concentric forecasts of economists were saying that rates should go higher and yields should go higher from here.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And it just became almost a joke that how can they make the same mistake year after year?

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And now, with hindsight, there is some academic research that says that it really –

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

made sense even though it turned out to be a wrong expectation until 22 when it happened in spades we got rising yields very sharply at that point but basically we had had this multi-decade decline in yields

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And sort of logically, rationally, the right thing to do was to expect some normalization, mean reversion.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And that's what markets were doing always.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And by the way, then when rates rose in 22 years,

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

Then we went from upward sloping yield curves to inverted yield curves and falling rate expectations.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

So it turns out like we find that cyclically those forecasts and yield curve shapes had correct type of predictions, but they totally missed this persistent decline in bond years.