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Dr. Alan O'Sullivan

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The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

They didn't expect it.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

Year after year, they were surprised up to 22 on this thing.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

So that's just a description.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

But the more interesting thing for this paper then was that, hmm, that's totally opposite than what we see in bonds.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

That's a mean reverting expectation.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

Bond investors don't get excited when years fall to record low and we have therefore very high valuations in bond markets.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

They get worried.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

They get worried of mean reversion, whereas equity investor after 10 bullish years, they get more bullish.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

So that contrast is

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

was interesting.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And then I was thinking, why would that be?

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And one thing I checked, whether that was consistent with historical data of last 100 or 200 years.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

No, if anything, there's opposite pattern of sort of decadal mean reversal and continuation in stocks and bonds.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

To me, the best explanation is a very naive one, but it seems to work, which is that basically bond investors tend to be forward-looking because we quote yields, we think about yields, and once you think about yields, that anchors you rationally.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

When the yields are very low, you don't become very bullish.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

Whereas with equities, we tend to quote prices and we talk about past performance.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And after strong past performance, we can get more excited and become more bullish.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

And that is sort of leading, I think, then to this kind of extrapolative bias.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

Again, happy to hear other explanations from other people, but no reader has yet come up with something better than that.

The MOST Important Thing
Ep 11 - Unlocking Investment Wisdom: AQR’s Dr. Antti Ilmanen's 10 Groundbreaking Papers. A lifetime of insight!

I think there is something in that.