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Dr. Alexander Wissner-Gross

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651 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

It's certainly a unique management style, but a very effective one.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

To say the least, I would note, again, looming in the background is the OpenAI IPO.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

And if I were on the defense, I'd probably be thinking about

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

where this settles.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

And it would seem to me, again, third party observer, I don't have a stake in either side.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

I would assume that part of one of the opportunities for convergence would be granting some sort of equity stake on the cap table for Elon in an ultimate IPO, which my understanding is he doesn't have.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

And maybe that's where convergence and some sort of ultimate pre or post trial settlement option lies.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

I'll maybe register a note of sympathy for the defendants in this case.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

I think creating, pioneering a model for a research lab such as OpenAI, which again was responsible for this enormous, probably saving us from a present recession at this point, and certainly accelerating

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

the course of the singularity by at least a few years, perhaps many more.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

I'm very sympathetic to the defendants from a corporate governance perspective.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

It wasn't necessarily obvious in the early days of OpenAI that, say, a public benefit corporation was the natural corporate structure.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

They iterated their way toward discovering that

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

generalist large language models were how we got AGI and then turning that into a business model that could afford the capitalization to build out a scale out.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

Like all of this, they backed into.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

I think if they knew what they knew now, putting Elon and his investment aside, in the early days of OpenAI, it would have been structured very differently.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

So I, for one, am sympathetic to the defendants that history isn't always clean.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

It isn't always the case that everyone knows ahead of time.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

exactly the right governance structure for what ultimately is going to turn the world upside down.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman, AI Job Loss, and OpenAI’s $852B Valuation | EP #247

But I would say to their credit, they ultimately have iterated their way in compliance with state authorities, as best I understand it, toward a more modern governance structure that reflects the revolutionary company that they are.