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Dr. Alexander Wissner-Gross

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651 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

I had discussions with him around the time also this was happening.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

So OpenAI was originally intended in part to be a counterbalance to create a competitive ecosystem.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

The problem is

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

technology is advancing so quickly now that you can start a not for profit with seemingly an idealistic long term goal.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

But the dog catches the card these days.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

If you set a moonshot goal for a nonprofit, what happens when it actually succeeds and the outcome is economically transformative?

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

So the teleplay that plays out is everyone actually after starting this not for profit actually realized we're going to catch that car where the dog that catches the car.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

And this is probably better structured as a

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

Doubly so.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

And this is the same parable that also played out with Anthropic, when Anthropic underwent its great schism and a number of folks, senior leaders from OpenAI, left OpenAI.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

they were initially just forming Anthropic to be a pure alignment lab.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

And then they discovered, well, actually, if we want enough funding for alignment, we need revenue.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

Well, if we need revenue, we need a model and we need capabilities.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

If we need a model and capabilities, we need to raise capital.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

Oh, wait, we need a for-profit public benefit corporation.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

So I think that the history, the sort of sad lesson we're learning over and over again that's now being litigated in Elon v. Sam that resulted in Anthropix formation over and over again is,

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

It's actually possible to realize moonshots now, and as a result, don't do it as a not-for-profit.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

Do it as a public benefit corporation from the start.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

Figure out the for-profit arrangement from the start, rather than fighting it all out in federal court after the fact.

Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

Nice.