Dr. Aseem Malhotra

It's not a conspiracy.

This is clearly how they do business.

And this is what they want to do is they want to

They engage in a tactic called opposition fragmentation.

Anyone that threatens their bottom line, they will do smearing.

They will do all these things behind the scenes.

There's a whole documented history of this.

It is.

Well, no, so actually in a way it is, although you've got to grow a thick skin, right?

Because, um, you know, uh, one of the lessons in public health advocacy done by written a great paper written by Simon Chapman, who took on big tobacco in Australia and talks about his 38 year career and taking on big tobacco.

He says, as soon as your work threatens an industry,

Or an ideological cabal.

Because this is about mind.

It's not just about money.

It's about indoctrination in the brain.

As soon as your work threatens an industry or an ideological cabal, you will be attacked, sometimes unrelentingly and viciously.

So you have to grow a rhinoceros hide.

So for me, what happened after that is, I kept pushing this message, but they then...

Behind the scenes, Royal College of Physicians, I think, funded by pharma, some scientists funded by pharma, started making complaints to the Academy of Medical Colleges, where I was one of their ambassadors for seven years, right?

To say, this guy's got his own agenda.