Dr. Aseem Malhotra

If we carry on down this trajectory, the whole healthcare system's gonna collapse.

We want to even manage people acutely if they are ill, right?

I never thought that would happen.

And ultimately, two of my parents basically died because of failures in the system because the system's under so much stress, right?

Never predicted that would happen.

But that's where I started from.

And when I looked into the issue of obesity,

And I concluded that one of the root causes, Mark, if not the main root cause, was this flawed hypothesis that we should have low-fat diets to prevent heart disease.

Food industry exploited that, increasing sugar intake, increasing refined carbohydrate intake.

It became quite clear.

There was a clear correlation between that change in guidance in the late 70s in the US and early 80s in the UK when the obesity epidemic started to then take its trajectory down the wrong way.

You just kind of flipped it upside down.

Oh, absolutely.

So when I looked at that, I started looking at the data and spending years and months and years looking at it and looking at different bits of data, I was able to put it all together.

And I wrote a piece in the BMJ in 2013 called saturated fat is not the major issue, right?

Yeah.

And that got a lot of attention, right?

It was international news and British news and CNN international and whatever, you know, because obviously suddenly you've got a cardiologist busting this myth that we think butter has been bad for our cholesterol.

But when I did that, okay, so what I looked at the data and it was very clear, there was no clear association with saturated fat consumption and heart disease.

So if that's true,