Dr. Aseem Malhotra

That's the definition of commercial determinants of health.

I have evolved that.

And in fact, referencing the Lancet, because Richard Horton, the editor, came to one of my lectures.

And I've said that the way that...

drug companies, big corporations, conduct business, not individuals, I'm not pointing at individuals who work for them, as legal entities, the way they conduct their business actually fulfills the criteria for psychopath.

Callous and concerned.

No, but this comes from Robert Hare.

They're immoral, not immoral, right?

Yeah, forensic psychologist Robert Hare, behind the original DSM criteria of psychopathy, defined them in the book Corporation.

He said, so what does that mean?

Callous and concerned for the safety of others, incapacity to experience guilt, repeated lying and conning others for profit.

So there's another one to throw in there.

maybe next time psychopathic determinants of health is my new term right so this is what the root of the problem right and of course downstream effects we know what's going on yeah so yeah people can um i've got a website drassim.com i think to be honest if they want to get an overview of this it's a one hour 50 minutes it's an educational tool um please go and download first do no farm from nofarmfilm.com um and if you want to read about statins in particular but we cover this in the film a

Um, my third book is called a statin free life.

And I think that really breaks down all the cholesterol stuff and the statin stuff and the lifestyle stuff as well.

And Mark, another point before we finish is that, which you've just raised, is that these pills for chronic disease rarely improve your quality of life.

They may affect a blood marker.

They may reduce your risk to some degree in the long term.

But lifestyle changes come without side effects, by and large, and they improve your quality of life.

Well, there are a lot of side effects.