Dr. Azadeh Khatibi
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first heard Apr 2025
last heard Apr 2025
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But like, I remember, you know, when I was listening to you on K-Rock all those years ago, I thought all doctors, you know, I looked up to you because I thought, oh, all doctors are like, are open and they're open-minded and they're humble and they're wise and they're... You know, and the open-mindedness and, like, being able to say you're wrong.
But then I went to med school and realized a lot of people aren't like that, even in the medical field. So the risk-benefit analysis that you talk about, just to bring it back to the public health thing that you talked about, I was—
So frustrated and then flabbergasted and then just completely overwhelmed by the fact that the people in public health were not looking at following the basic public health principles that I've been taught in public health school. Basic stuff. That's right. What is going on with the people? What do the people want? You don't just push an intervention on people.
And this was a public health ethics thing that we learned in medical school, an issue of coming in and just pushing what you think is best on the populace is not the right thing to do. You have to understand their... their understanding, their culture, their desires, and incorporate that into a positive public health plan. That's number one. And then ethics, right?
It's not just a Machiavellian ends justify the means, right? That's like the opposite of what we learned in public health school. The means through which you achieve your end is very important. It has to be ethical. It has to... take into account what's going on on the ground and what the people's desires are and what their cultural understandings are. And so that wasn't being considered at all.
And the mandates with the vaccinations that came, there was no public health uproar about, hey, what about the Geneva Convention? How about all these Documents that we have that in times of emergencies, right? When things are like chill and no problem and there's no pandemic, although we can discuss the definition of pandemic and how that changed over time and how that was used incorrectly.
But if there's an emergency going on, that's the time when these documents, these ethics and medical ethics documents and agreements that you guys have throughout the years and decades of experience, especially people in World War II who saw the horrors, of what happened, especially us in California, which were the leaders, the leaders of the eugenics movement that fed the Holocaust.
When we've gone through this stuff and then we have these rules, like don't do this to people, don't mandate biological interventions that they don't want on them. If you just forget about that, it's just the opposite of what public health ethics should be. So, and then I thought to myself, another thing was like, oh my gosh, why aren't they talking about
And about like the importance of diet and exercise and sleep. This could have been- Fresh air. This could have been fresh air, sunshine, like the basic doctoring things that now we're realizing the reasons they said fresh air and sunshine is like an important thing. Why aren't they talking about this stuff?
Cuz they were so myopically focused and that lack of open mindedness, that myopic focus prevents you from seeing everything else. And this dependence also on medical intervention in the form of a pharmaceutical as opposed to all the other things that actually create a human thriving. It was hugely to our detriment. And it really was sad the way it played out.
I'm really happy that there were some doctors who stood up. I think there were a lot who were just scared and didn't stand up. You know, after I started speaking out, my friends, you know, who come from many different parts of the political spectrum who are doctors were like, oh, I really admire you. It's so great that you're speaking up, but I can't speak up because I'm hired by this organization.
Even the private practice ones were scared. Oh, don't say anything. You know, one of them told another friend of mine at a dinner party, he said, don't ever sign an exemption. It's just like saving your skin as opposed to actually following the ethics of what a doctor should do.
Well, let's talk about, and then you can remind me what your first thing is. Oh, the pharmaceuticals, the concept of a drug.
Right, I mean, the word safe, we've lost the concept of what the word safe is anyway. There is no such thing as safe, right? I think, again, so reactivity in my mindfulness training was something like, we have to reduce reactivity and promote centeredness, which really, the reactivity really fed a lot of people's dysregulated behavior during COVID and them feeding in from-
Well, I mean, reactivity of politicians, reactivity of the populace when they listen to the news and then they're like, oh my God, and they feed into it. The reactivity of doctors who try to save their skin instead of being centered, calm, wise, and then responding appropriately in the given moment.
That's kind of what I mean by reactivity that leads to like dysregulation within society and also dysregulation within the self. But for me, you know, coming in medicine, this is very basic, like medicine 101 that you learn. Okay, go get consent from the patient for this procedure.
So you go in as, you know, your med student with your intern, for example, and then you tell the patient, okay, you know, we're going to do this procedure on you. It has risks, benefits, and there's alternatives. And so you document risks, benefits, alternatives discussed with the patient. You never go to the patient and say, this is safe. You should do it.
Like you're taught that is actually unethical to do. It is wrong to do. And you're lying to the patient. However, somehow during the COVID time, the word safe was like this wonderful thing. Vaccines are safe and effective, safe and effective. And I was making the argument, especially on my physician Facebook groups, like, why are you guys using the word safe? Like, is the world upside down?
It's never, nothing is ever safe. There's always risk. And I never told a patient when I, you know, when you're doing the consent procedure, Whenever they ask me, like, is this safe? I would say nothing is safe. There's always a risk.
In your case, you know, in your case, you're a 20-year-old, 25-year-old male engineer who's very conscientious and you can't see because of this membrane on your retina and you're really upset about it and you can't do your work. I would say the risks... are outweighed by the benefits of this procedure of getting a membrane peel.
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