Dr. Azadeh Khatibi

But like, I remember, you know, when I was listening to you on K-Rock all those years ago, I thought all doctors, you know, I looked up to you because I thought, oh, all doctors are like, are open and they're open-minded and they're humble and they're wise and they're... You know, and the open-mindedness and, like, being able to say you're wrong.

But like, I remember, you know, when I was listening to you on K-Rock all those years ago, I thought all doctors, you know, I looked up to you because I thought, oh, all doctors are like, are open and they're open-minded and they're humble and they're wise and they're... You know, and the open-mindedness and, like, being able to say you're wrong.

But then I went to med school and realized a lot of people aren't like that, even in the medical field. So the risk-benefit analysis that you talk about, just to bring it back to the public health thing that you talked about, I was—

But then I went to med school and realized a lot of people aren't like that, even in the medical field. So the risk-benefit analysis that you talk about, just to bring it back to the public health thing that you talked about, I was—

So frustrated and then flabbergasted and then just completely overwhelmed by the fact that the people in public health were not looking at following the basic public health principles that I've been taught in public health school. Basic stuff. That's right. What is going on with the people? What do the people want? You don't just push an intervention on people.

So frustrated and then flabbergasted and then just completely overwhelmed by the fact that the people in public health were not looking at following the basic public health principles that I've been taught in public health school. Basic stuff. That's right. What is going on with the people? What do the people want? You don't just push an intervention on people.

And this was a public health ethics thing that we learned in medical school, an issue of coming in and just pushing what you think is best on the populace is not the right thing to do. You have to understand their... their understanding, their culture, their desires, and incorporate that into a positive public health plan. That's number one. And then ethics, right?

And this was a public health ethics thing that we learned in medical school, an issue of coming in and just pushing what you think is best on the populace is not the right thing to do. You have to understand their... their understanding, their culture, their desires, and incorporate that into a positive public health plan. That's number one. And then ethics, right?

It's not just a Machiavellian ends justify the means, right? That's like the opposite of what we learned in public health school. The means through which you achieve your end is very important. It has to be ethical. It has to... take into account what's going on on the ground and what the people's desires are and what their cultural understandings are. And so that wasn't being considered at all.

It's not just a Machiavellian ends justify the means, right? That's like the opposite of what we learned in public health school. The means through which you achieve your end is very important. It has to be ethical. It has to... take into account what's going on on the ground and what the people's desires are and what their cultural understandings are. And so that wasn't being considered at all.

And the mandates with the vaccinations that came, there was no public health uproar about, hey, what about the Geneva Convention? How about all these Documents that we have that in times of emergencies, right? When things are like chill and no problem and there's no pandemic, although we can discuss the definition of pandemic and how that changed over time and how that was used incorrectly.

And the mandates with the vaccinations that came, there was no public health uproar about, hey, what about the Geneva Convention? How about all these Documents that we have that in times of emergencies, right? When things are like chill and no problem and there's no pandemic, although we can discuss the definition of pandemic and how that changed over time and how that was used incorrectly.

But if there's an emergency going on, that's the time when these documents, these ethics and medical ethics documents and agreements that you guys have throughout the years and decades of experience, especially people in World War II who saw the horrors, of what happened, especially us in California, which were the leaders, the leaders of the eugenics movement that fed the Holocaust.

But if there's an emergency going on, that's the time when these documents, these ethics and medical ethics documents and agreements that you guys have throughout the years and decades of experience, especially people in World War II who saw the horrors, of what happened, especially us in California, which were the leaders, the leaders of the eugenics movement that fed the Holocaust.

When we've gone through this stuff and then we have these rules, like don't do this to people, don't mandate biological interventions that they don't want on them. If you just forget about that, it's just the opposite of what public health ethics should be. So, and then I thought to myself, another thing was like, oh my gosh, why aren't they talking about

When we've gone through this stuff and then we have these rules, like don't do this to people, don't mandate biological interventions that they don't want on them. If you just forget about that, it's just the opposite of what public health ethics should be. So, and then I thought to myself, another thing was like, oh my gosh, why aren't they talking about

And about like the importance of diet and exercise and sleep. This could have been- Fresh air. This could have been fresh air, sunshine, like the basic doctoring things that now we're realizing the reasons they said fresh air and sunshine is like an important thing. Why aren't they talking about this stuff?

And about like the importance of diet and exercise and sleep. This could have been- Fresh air. This could have been fresh air, sunshine, like the basic doctoring things that now we're realizing the reasons they said fresh air and sunshine is like an important thing. Why aren't they talking about this stuff?

Cuz they were so myopically focused and that lack of open mindedness, that myopic focus prevents you from seeing everything else. And this dependence also on medical intervention in the form of a pharmaceutical as opposed to all the other things that actually create a human thriving. It was hugely to our detriment. And it really was sad the way it played out.

Cuz they were so myopically focused and that lack of open mindedness, that myopic focus prevents you from seeing everything else. And this dependence also on medical intervention in the form of a pharmaceutical as opposed to all the other things that actually create a human thriving. It was hugely to our detriment. And it really was sad the way it played out.