Dr. Azadeh Khatibi
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first heard Apr 2025
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When the paper came out, people were making, including Judge Jackson, Supreme Court Justice Jackson, talked about in one of her opinion judgments about how this lack of Or about how the death of black babies at higher rates at the hands of white doctors is a huge problem.
And really focusing on like, there's some biases and there's some huge problems here in terms of the mortality rate of black people that we need to adjust, to attend to. especially implying that there's like all this subconscious bias of white people towards black people that's affecting their mortality rates.
However, Do No Harm, which is actually one of my co-plaintiffs in the AB 241 case that we're appealing right now, Do No Harm got the email records, they FOIA, God bless them, they FOIAed the email records of the authors involved in the study. And what they found is that when they were writing out the study,
One of the models that they did showed that white babies died more under the care of a black physician And what Brian or Brad Greenwood, the lead author, said in the comment section when they were editing the paper together, he said, I want to delete this. I'm deleting it because I don't want to take away from our main argument. I want to strengthen our narrative.
Well, that's, you know, yeah. He said, I want to strengthen the narrative of saving black babies. And I don't want to undermine that narrative. It's just shocking to me, right? Because as a scientist, yeah, well, it's not shocking, but in a way it's shocking, right? The ethical person who wants to just look at the data.
And we, of course, understand that models can be twisted to say whatever you want them to say a lot of the time. But you should be pursuing the truth, the essence as close as possible as truth. And these ideas of stories and narratives are just ridiculous. And I wonder if there had been a medical doctor, maybe, maybe,
they would have, at least someone would have pointed out, wait a minute, we have to show what the data is actually showing. We can't massage the data or leave parts out to fit a narrative story. I'm a storyteller, right? So I'm a filmmaker. I love telling stories, but those are like two very different parts of the brain.
And there's, you know, you have to, there's one where you want to show people and lead them emotionally, et cetera. Then there's the one where you're like, based on facts, that part of your brain where it's like, let's do fact-based, let's hear to the ethics.
But it shows you like what the layers of convoluted like egoic desires that are feeding this quote unquote science, right? It's no longer science because there is like this egoic desire for an outcome, right? Or that myopic focus. It's like religion.
I'm done.
But I will tell you, I think one more, wait, can I just tell you one more important thing about this article? Is that they didn't actually look at the reason black babies were dying at higher rates under white doctors. And the reason was- that more serious ill babies were being taken care of by the white doctors.
It doesn't. And then when you have people who are not involved in medicine and actually don't have that understanding, you're going to get junk science like this, junk science like this. Which leads me to the AB241 lawsuit, which is the government trying to basically architect the medical consciousness of doctors.
So this law was actually signed, was passed and signed by Gavin Newsom and the legislature in 2019, but it's taken a few years for it to be implemented. And what it is, and the bill was AB 241, and the case is Katibi versus Hawkins, and we're fighting it with the help of our legal nonprofit, Pacific Legal Foundation.
What they basically said is that they want every doctor in CME, based on this law, to satisfy the implicit bias teaching. So the law says that every single continuing medical education course, and in the state of California, a doctor has to have 50 hours of continuing medical education every two years.
at every single continuing medical education course that a doctor teaches, they need to teach examples of how implicit bias affects perceptions and treatment decisions of physicians and surgeons, leading to disparities in health outcomes. Or,
Strategies to address how unintended biases and decision-making may contribute to healthcare disparities by shaping behavior and producing differences in medical treatment along the lines of race, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, age, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics. So that's what the law says.
And the law says that every doctor or organization or organizers has to do it at every single CME. So I think that this is ridiculous. It's a First Amendment violation. It opens the door to basically government controlling not just doctors, but all licensed professionals in California. And essentially, what they're doing is they're saying,
Implicit bias is bad and we can have that discussion because I actually think implicit bias understanding is very good for doctors to have. It's still controversial. So different doctors have different opinions on what implicit bias is. Is it the roots of prejudice? Is it not the roots of prejudice? But...
Sidney Kamlager Dove, with the help of some organizations, created this bill and got it passed into law because they want to avoid different outcomes based on race and gender, etc., especially race. And basically with CME, it's a system, just so your listeners understand, CME is continuing medical education.
It's a system that was created by doctors, for doctors, privately, with private institutions. And it was just a bunch of doctors getting together and saying, hey, it'd be nice for us to have these education courses and they would just meet and hang out. And then it became, as things grow, they became a system.
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