Dr. Azadeh Khatibi
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first heard Apr 2025
last heard Apr 2025
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Then the government, and actually the doctors were like, hey, it'd be good if doctors were licensed. We should have some level of licensure. And so the government, they went to the government and then the government created a licensure system. And that's why doctors have to be licensed in our states. And
the state then said, hey, you guys have the CME system, we're gonna require a certain number of hours every year that you guys have to learn. And so what has now happening is the government is saying, hey, in your CME, in every single CME course that you teach, you have to teach on implicit bias.
So they've hijacked a private system, and now they're calling for government speech in that private system. And Rob Bunta, the attorney general, and his lawyers are arguing, and they've won it. They won it at the lower level, and we're appealing it in the higher court, in the appellate court. They're basically saying, we can mandate this speech because every physician knows this.
Doctors who go to CME are engaging in government speech. And doctors listening to other doctors know that they're listening to government speech. So they're just making this stuff up. It's incredibly dangerous.
They're basically saying you're speaking on behalf of the government when you teach CME. Did you know that, Dr. Pinsky? Did you know all these years you've been going to CME? You've been listening to government speakers speak?
Right, so the lower court has said- I want you to do something though.
Oh my God. And that wasn't, they weren't even mandating your speech at that point. They were just saying you have to take this course. So, I mean, that's why government should not get involved in medicine at all.
Well, if anybody says you're racist, the comeback to that is implicit bias is a controversial topic. And there's people who created the implicit, the psychologists who created the implicit association test, those three, there's discussion and debate and difference among them on whether or not it contains the roots of prejudice or not.
So even the people who created the implicit association test that coined the term implicit bias have disagreements. So, and there's evidence that implicit bias training can even backfire and make people even more biased or resentful. So this is not something the government should be- This is not something the government should be involved in. It's opening the door to like the government.
Yeah. That's, I mean, what we've seen throughout history is that terrible things have happened when the government is involved in healthcare and deciding what should and should not be done. Whether it's the eugenics movement and forced sterilizing thousands of people, including Californians. California was the head of that, the opioid stuff that you're talking about. Yeah.
And now this, I mean, we should keep government out of health, health care and decision making. Now, I mean, with this idea of CME being government speech, what are we going to do? It's going to open the door to different states. Just so you guys, your listeners understand, it's going to open the door to different states.
One state saying all doctors at all CME have to teach that abortion is health care. Another state will say all doctors at all CME have to teach that abortion is unethical. And so what if a doctor's First of all, it's wrong to be mandating speech of doctors. And second of all, what happens if a doctor is licensed in both of those states?
Now they're in a terrible position because now they have to teach opposite to what one state wants. Are they going to get investigated? Is a fellow or a resident who's pissed off at an attending going to report them for not teaching implicit bias at the one CME that they forgot to teach it at? Are private institutions or pharmaceutical companies that fund CME now funding state speakers? Are...
teachers at academic institutions now going to get fired because they can't teach CME, which is a job requirement for them because they don't believe in it. And so the judge asked the lawyer for the state, can they disagree with this law? Can they say they disagree with it? And she couldn't define how much they could disagree with it. So you don't even know
to the extent to which you can disagree. So this is a dangerous precedent for all licensed professionals because it opens the door for all licensed professionals, whether you're a physical therapist, whether you're an architect, whatever you are, to have mandated speech at both the state and federal level when you're being taught courses.
And some doctors can then become targets because the government can weaponize this law against them.
My gosh, so you can get retinitis, you can get not just retinal, so let's just talk ophthalmic. So you can get like a conjunctivitis, that's like the most common thing that you hear about. And so, I mean, what are you gonna do about it? You can also get retinitis, what can you do about it?
It was just one eye? Okay, so yeah, usually when you get these raccoon eyes, it could also be not just an eye thing, but it could be a sign of allergy or it can be a sign of sinusitis or yeah, maybe a thrombosis of something. So that's not good.
Well, what I'm going to tell you is in addition to my MPH degree and my MD, I had also studied molecular biology at UCLA. I was a region scholar at UCLA. I studied molecular biology. And when I looked at the mRNA vaccine specifically, I looked at that and I said, why is nobody else speaking up? Because this mRNA vaccine is a setup just the way it is. It's a setup for inflammation.
It's a setup for immune disorders. It's a setup for recurrent cancer. It's a setup for, or excuse me, a setup for cancer. It's a set up for latent cancers coming back. It's a setup for recurrent infections and latent infections resurging. Can nobody else see the mechanisms of action? Why aren't we talking about it? And why didn't the studies actually look at this?
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