Dr. Ben Bikman

And every time it comes down, hunger wants to push it back up again.

And so, yeah, I cut you off though, but that puts them in a position to eat six or seven times a day.

And if they're not eating, they're drinking something sugary, either a soda or a sugary fruit juice.

They were.

Yeah.

And it was plant based.

And that's, again, another reason why I thought we need to be careful.

Not I don't mean to sound overly critical of the study.

I appreciate it.

But at the same time, I think we need to elaborate on the limitations, which is most people aren't starting with a breakfast of a big leafy green salad.

But there is a group that found that when you have a breakfast – they looked at breakfast and the name of the article was something like more rapid return of hunger.

It was something like return to hunger was in the title.

And if the breakfast – isocaloric breakfast –

So same number of calories, protein was clamped and it just differed in the ratio of fats to carbs.

The high carb group was hungrier much sooner and then ate more for their next meal than the low carb group.

And so I would say as much as we want to be sort of fair with whole plants, if that breakfast is a mix of whole plants with good proteins and fats, that's going to be a winning combination of satiety.

and then have a nice lunch.

And then my view for me personally, I don't eat breakfast as much as I said, I wouldn't elaborate on my own approach.

I eat a big lunch.

That's my main meal of the day because I want, and then I find if I have a big filling lunch, it's easy for me to taper through dinner and then easy to not snack in the evening.