Dr. Bethany Marshall

Public Defense Office since 2007.

There was blood in the bathtub.

There was blood all over the bathroom.

There was blood on the bedsheets.

It means that they're in an extraordinarily fragile state, right?

That there's a risk that they could try to harm themselves or somebody else, but they're not such an acute risk at that point.

It could also be that they've stabilized him on medications or that signs of suicidality like disruption in sleep, appetite, concentration, being labile, being dysregulated, that that has all gone away and he's kind of resumed normal function at this point.

Normal function.

Nancy, this Nick Reiner is extraordinarily bright, oriented towards reality, inventive.

He was really good at getting himself taken care of in whatever way he needed.

I used to listen to him on the Dopey podcast.

It's a podcast about drug addiction.

He would call in and when he was in rehab in Maine, he calls into the Dopey podcast and he tells them he wants to go home and live with his parents.

So he's going to get sober for a couple of weeks just so they'll discharge him so he can go back to his parents' house to use.

And that was discussed on the podcast.

He was bright enough to do that.

He's bright enough, Nancy, to aid in his own defense, to have known that if he was on serious substances, it could get to this point with the people around him.

And I cannot blame his siblings for not wanting him out of jail.

They probably feel that they're at risk too of harm.

Why have a homicidal person who refuses to get sober, who's gone to 18 rehabs in 17 years,