Dr. Bethany Marshall

There's probably people behind him at the DMV waiting, and he talks for 13 minutes, and

Nancy, he loves himself and he loves what he did and he wants to talk about it.

He might have even been aroused or sexually excited while he was talking about it.

Since I believe it was a sexually motivated crime, it could have been almost like a masturbatory experience, like going over the details.

He might also have been trying to convince himself that nobody really knew that he was a perpetrator.

So trying to get clues from the clerk

about what she might have read or what people, you know, word on the street was, so to speak.

I do wonder, Nancy, when I see patients like that, where I know they've committed a crime or worse yet, they've come to therapy to actually gain some help in concealing the crime or they're paranoid because they're about to be caught.

I do have that even in my Beverly Hills office.

And what's interesting is that their presentation is so smooth on the surface.

And yet I know, and they know, I know something is going on.

But furthermore, when you look at Koberger's affect, his emotions, the way he's talking to this woman, he is a really strange, strange guy.

There's no picture I've ever seen of him where he looks normal.

And anybody sitting in front of him is going to have to wonder what the heck is going on.

But Nancy, there's something more.

The digital evidence, the investigators that went through his phone determined that he was quite obsessive and he had no friends other than his parents.

So I believe that he's flirting with this woman at the DMV because that's the only person he can kind of lock down into a conversation because

It's the DMV, right?

I mean, they're there to serve their customers.

Nancy, did you know he called his mother at five o'clock every single morning?