Dr. Bethany Marshall

Then he called his parents again to fall asleep.

He almost stalked and

pestered his parents he would he would text his mother saying five o'clock question mark she would text back 530 exclamation mark exclamation mark like don't call me so early in the morning so he you know since they were his only relationships can you imagine he has this 13 minutes with this woman at the dnv she's not sitting in a bar with a drink she knows she's safe she knows she's behind the counter

So she's talking sports.

And that's probably a very new experience for him, given the fact that he probably creeped women out everywhere he went.

Yes.

Nancy, sociopaths wear what I've called so many times

the mask of sanity.

It's not my term.

It's a research term.

And that means that they can act and pass as normal in society, even though there's so much going on underneath the surface.

And in fact, with Koberger, one of the things we know was going on beneath the surface was that most of the searches on his phone were for non-consensual sex pornography.

There was no search for normal pornography.

It was all

non consensual, whatever that means.

So, so he's in this situation where the mask starts to slip just a little bit because she brought it up and he clams up.

I think he's thinking, you know, he's an obsessive guy.

He's probably going through his mind wondering,

what she knows, what everybody else knows.

And also he doesn't have the power in that situation.