Dr. Bethany Marshall

The fact that there's all the medication right on top of his bunk bed, you do not leave medication in any jail

a person's cell because they could overdose or suicide.

Medications like that are dispensed by some kind of medical staff.

All of those, the linens that are thrown in there, it sounds like somebody's like kind of stirred up the room in some way so as to camouflage

what might have already happened.

In other words, they're staging it to look like Epstein was messy, but in fact, it looks like there was a struggle to me, Nancy.

Nancy, you and I have seen the insides of Zorro Ranch, of the island, of the beautiful home in Manhattan.

Those houses were spectacular and well-appointed and neat.

You cannot tell me that Jeffrey Epstein would have

allowed his own cell to look like that.

Everything would have been neatly folded.

The bed would have been made.

And in terms of suicidality, Nancy, narcissists and sociopaths only suicide if they feel ashamed.

Shame drives the suicide or if they are afraid of consequences.

Epstein never felt ashamed.

He never, ever, ever was remorseful for his actions.

And I believe that he probably thought that he would get out of this one, just like he got out of the prior 14 months sentence.

So this does not paint a picture of somebody who would have killed himself or of a prison guard who was really jealously, zealously guarding the inmate.

You know, Nancy, I have reviewed this scene in my mind so many times.

You have a man with a rock.