Dr. Bethany Marshall

Normal function.

Nancy, this Nick Reiner is extraordinarily bright, oriented towards reality, inventive.

He was really good at getting himself taken care of in whatever way he needed.

I used to listen to him on the Dopey podcast.

It's a podcast about drug addiction.

He would call in and when he was in rehab in Maine, he calls into the Dopey podcast and he tells them he wants to go home and live with his parents.

So he's going to get sober for a couple of weeks just so they'll discharge him so he can go back to his parents' house to use.

And that was discussed on the podcast.

He was bright enough to do that.

He's bright enough, Nancy, to aid in his own defense, to have known that if he was on serious substances, it could get to this point with the people around him.

And I cannot blame his siblings for not wanting him out of jail.

They probably feel that they're at risk too of harm.

Why have a homicidal person who refuses to get sober, who's gone to 18 rehabs in 17 years,

Why inflict that person out on society?

That would be wrong for them to assist in his defense, I really think, and they understand that.

Nancy is where he should be.

I mean, it's one of the biggest psychiatric facilities on the West Coast because they have so many psych admissions there in tandem with crimes.

You know, Rob and Michelle were very loving, psychologically healthy, growth-promoting parents.

who did anything for their son, Nick.

And he abused that and he did what addicts do to families.