Dr. Bex
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Every probably county DCF or Child Protective Services branch has their own kind of methods for using that. And then each hospital has their own set of consents that come into play in these cases. So it really without knowing very specifically this hospital, this county, this state, this HHSA or their child protective services,
that's going to be where all the litigation comes into play i think is kind of how that all does play out but as of now this is the parents do not know that the video is in the room um until much later at which point you know they realized they had been watched for 24 hours a day for seven days a week and so that does come in a lot into the court documents when it comes to
concern for invasion of privacy, violation of constitutional rights to privacy, search and seizure, all of these other things. The covert video surveillance comes up time and again.
So I think more to know about the specifics of this case, but you'll just see that this is something that has come up in previous cases and probably will continue to. So we will see how this part plays out. When she does return to Rady Children's, there is another report made to HHSA or called into the abuse hotline. At that time, we do not have access to those reports.
We know that a report was made. And there is documentation of Dr. Nienau, again, being a part of this because she is the child abuse pediatrician. So she is the one who would be helping with the medical reporting of symptoms that are occurring that are concerning, you know, for medical child abuse or munchausen by proxy or neglect or anything else that is coming up in this case.
By this point, it is stated in the court documents that Dr. Nino or somewhere in these reports that there was a potential risk of death if Madison remains in the care of her parents. We don't have all of those details, but I don't think that's said lightly in my experience or in my opinion. And Andrea, we've seen it in other cases, but there is a path of no return in some of these cases that
there may be warning signs and it may be a review of the record and it may be all of the information you have in front of you but at some point there is a concern for death is there not yes i mean we've seen a lot of cases that were escalating in that direction and unfortunately i'm researching a number of cases right now where the parent followed through on that
And the record review that Dr. Nienau or any child abuse pediatrician would do is, I just want to clarify that their specialty is child abuse pediatrics. So Dr. Nienau actually did the fellowship in child abuse pediatrics, is board certified in child abuse pediatrics.
I mean, there's other child abuse pediatricians that have a different backstory, but that is hers and has maintained, you know, continuing medical education in the field, all of that. That being said, the record review is the kind of heart of these cases, at least from that side. There are all the medical records there are.
The doctors, the parents, you know, feel have information that would be important. There's neighbors, there's friends, right? I mean, like all these cases have a lot of people, but this is one piece of the puzzle is the report from the child abuse pediatrician. So just to be clear that a child abuse pediatrician's role is in diagnosing or facilitating
finding evidence that there is no concern for abuse so their report is going to be a review of the records and what they're finding in those records that is concerning enough to potentially show signs of child abuse that report is part of the entire you know case and information that is put in front of the judge and then it's the judge making the determination based on that information whether you shelter or detain the child from the parents
makes sense right they're more trained and that's i think that's where maybe there's a little bit of dissension in in how people feel about them but again i think when you put it in that context of they are specialists in this field it doesn't mean they're going to find it and like you said it actually data shows that maybe they find it less i think that's an important just an important piece to kind of set this up before we go forward but um as with a lot of the cases we've we've followed
it is going to come into question whether this report, whether the initial call to HHSA was falsified or this idea of a false accusation or false elements of these reports. And that also, it's this word false that I think gets to me personally is, is it false or is it what they saw at that time or their, again, reasonable suspicion of whatever it is that they're calling in or reporting?
which is what we're taught to do, is that you call in when there's a reasonable suspicion. So saying these accusations or these reports are false, I think that word is just is interesting, not to say there couldn't be something that is just blatantly wrong in a report. Of course, there is. But at the same time, that word false accusation or false reporting to me could mean a variety of things.
So the report is made very early, but it goes forward to March 7th of 2019. So she was in New York in January. So now we're in March. And this is when the petition or is filed with the court for detention or for meaning like that Madison will be separated from her parents. And so at this point, the decision is made in the court to separate Madison from her parents.
And the next day there will be the hearing to kind of discuss this when the parents can arrive in court and be a part of the hearing. It is told in the court documents that the father was the one that was present at the time and that he was brought into a meeting with the team and with security is what is said in the document. And it is explained to him that the court has made this decision.
He is asked to leave the hospital. He needs to surrender his parental badge. It sounds like Dana came up to pick him up, had to surrender her parental badge. And from that moment of that meeting,
it does not sound like they saw madison again at least you know that day and along with that is the whole report that what was done by the state workers or those who work in the hhsa system and then dr ninow's report and any other collateral information from both sides is brought to the judge.
And based on what is placed before him, I mean, again, we don't know what that all entailed, but what went in front of him, the decision was made to separate Madison from her parents and to put her in the custody of the County of San Diego.
Correct, with all of the information provided to them. And I think this is a part of these stories that as a parent, as a human, you know, it sounds a certain way when you hear it, but I don't know.
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