Dr. Bex
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In Radies, after this shelter order goes into place in March of 2019 until February of 2020, when kind of the story picks back up. And again, there's a lot of reference back to times in there, but we don't know a lot in this time period until February 5th, 2020, when Madison is returned to the custody of her parents. There's another hearing.
It's in front of a judge called Judge Imhoff in California, in the county of San Diego. And he is now determining that Madison can be returned to the custody of the parents. But he...
There's there's some terminology and and just so everyone understands it's the terminology that's in the court document, but then the court document occasionally puts things in quotes so we are relying a little bit on what they're saying somebody said so a little bit of he said she said.
But there was a term that was used at this time that I just it really kind of stuck out to me and i'm curious to hear what you think but.
he uses the term scarlet letter of munchausen by proxy or basically that this family had been branded with their own scarlet letter of munchausen by proxy and there's times i think like we just said that legal terms opinions adjectives adverbs all these things just get kind of interesting in medicine in law where you want it to be like it's this because of this and that's just not always how it works out
But this one, I don't know. It hit me a little bit.
and i think it is interesting how how some seem like you said some seem to have a little bit more to say and you are right in the dependency court this isn't a jury this isn't it's not that same you know kind of a feeling in the courtroom where he really was kind of laying down his final thoughts on this um and then also where what is the state of the case so he says you know or at least the court documents tell us that he um you know spoke out and said um i think about
the implementation of the covert video surveillance as being an invasion of privacy he does use some of this terminology or these words at least according to the documents and if there is say a police investigation or other things are going on you know these words could be very you know inflammatory or very kind of pushing in in one direction yeah it's i mean these things are really very much ongoing a lot of the time you know and certainly many cases that we've seen
So this is almost a total of a year. So it's less a month. So 11 months, March 7th. I mean, she has been in Rady since January of 2019, but in the custody of the County of San Diego from March 2019. Now we're in February 2020. Oh, I'm thinking what February 2020 was like. See, there's more to come. Now that I think about it. It's a little wild. Yes. But I think so. That's where we are.
And this is, again, where we're filling in the blanks here and there. But she is still a patient at Rady's. February 5th, 2020, she's returned to custody of parents. So she does remain at Rady Children's. And we'll talk about it, I think, more next time about kind of what we do know about that time frame.
But this is where we kind of leave off after this is, yes, she was returned to her parents' custody, but she is still a patient at Rady Children's for whatever reason. We don't completely know. And that now the parents are back in the room, back in the...
yep and just so people understand i think the dependency court process and now the process that we're kind of talking about going forward where then there is a lawsuit by the parents against all of these defendants that's two different courts and that's two different pieces and often the dependency court process a lot of those documents are sealed for other reasons and so there the court now going forward needs to determine whether those documents come into play or not there has to be
you know, orders and motions to get all of that to happen. So we're relying on the court. When I say the court documents, I'm referring to the court process when the family brings lawsuit of the lawsuit against of the lawsuit.
Yep. And so I think next time we'll we'll pick up and talk a little bit. There's there's some interesting factors that come into play with the lawsuit that the parents file and kind of how they're the counts they're bringing against the defendants. And it's a little bit different than other cases we have covered on the podcast.
And so we'll we'll get a little bit more into all of that and the court process and where we stand now next time.
So our first disclaimer is actually that Andrea and I both met Dr. Shailen Neenau, who is one of the defendants in this case. She works for the University of California, San Diego at Rady's Children's Hospital and through their child protection team and Children's Advocacy Center. And we met her at a conference in San Diego this year and actually presented with her.
So we have gotten to know her a bit over this time. But again, none of the information that we're presenting here today came from her. It all came from the court documents. And from articles that we've read that have been in the news and peripheral information we were able to find on the Internet.
So basically, all of this is stuff that is public record that you guys could look into as well if you're interested. And the one big thing just to point out, anyone who went down the big rabbit hole of the Kowalski court case.
We were able to get all of the court records in the state of Florida, and that actually included all of the medical records that were released to the courts for Maya Kowalski. And so we had a little bit more of both sides of the story. In this case, we're relying solely on the documents that are available to the public through the courts.
And so we have the claims and then we have the motions to dismiss the claims. And that's really the information we're going on. So there are going to be gaps in the story that we really can't fill in until or if this ends up going to some kind of trial. So that makes this a little bit different.
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