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Dr. Bret Devereaux

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1016 total appearances

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The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

You ought to build your galleys of aged dry wood too, but you don't have to.

1793.742 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

You can build galleys out of green wood.

1798.046 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

They won't be as good, but they won't fall apart.

1799.648 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

But if you try and build a man of war out of green wood, it's going to go poorly for you.

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The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

And so part of what may be happening here is that the need to construct a sort of age of sale style navy from scratch demanded a lot of time.

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The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

There really isn't a way to speed up the process of fully drying and aging wood.

1815.324 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

You just sort of have to put it on blocks and wait.

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The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

I also, well, again, one wonders, like this is one of those timeframes where I think Tolkien often when dealing with the Numenoreans shifts into almost like heroic time where stuff just takes longer for reasons that aren't entirely clear.

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The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

I mean, you see this again, like you see this in The Mariner's Wife where like Eldarion decides to do something and then he's doing it for 15 years.

1838.59 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

And you're like, was that 15 years of stuff you had to do?

1845.802 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

Because they're heroic and bigger than life in this way.

1852.517 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

So it takes a long time.

1856.165 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

And so rather than a long time being 18 months, a long time is five years.

1857.588 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

But if the Numenoreans have neglected their naval preparations and really do need to build a large fleet from scratch, this might take a really long time.

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The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

And one of the challenges here is that they are moving a large army.

1872.211 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

The logistics of moving an army by sea, especially if you need to move it all at once rather than doing shuttle runs, get pretty wild pretty fast.

1876.597 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

Because a large sailing ship, you can put a few hundred men on that, which sounds like a lot until you're talking about an army of 20, 30, 40, 50,000 men, and you're suddenly talking about dozens, hundreds of ships.

1888.175 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

The Roman invasion force that carries their army to North Africa during the First Punic War, this is 256, 255 BC, is some 350 ships.

1902.976 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

wow transports and warships all total they have less marine carrying capacity because they're all warships so they have more rowers but you really large number of ships in order to move a large army and it might be a real scramble to get them the way your historical sort of early modern european rulers with age of stale style fleets would do this is that they would draft every merchant ship they could get a hold of right you'd hand some amount of money to the captain

1914.533 View full episode →
The Prancing Pony Podcast
415 – Saruman’s OPSEC Problem: Unfinished Tales with Dr. Bret Devereaux

Maybe it's a reasonable amount.

1943.322 View full episode →