Dr. Bret Devereaux

And then the other part I have in the decision trees and the ring works like he thinks it does, which is a big, Oh, big if, yeah, big if, I mean, this is, this is right.

Saruman has, you know, his 10 is, is 10,000 ish orcs, orcs and, and wild men.

And what I would, what I would know is that we see Sauron respond exactly to the problem of 9,000 men at arms, uh,

plus Gandalf, so plus Amaya, and then Aragorn, who he thinks has the ring.

And his response is to play with them before springing the trap.

The one being in the story who knows how the one ring works does not think 9,000 men plus one ring is enough.

And so this is – I know that there's debate amongst the community on this point, but I actually think all these characters we see who imagine – and we see Gandalf think this way and Saruman think this way and Galadriel think this way, the goodbye at the ring –

And the wise characters are like, it would tempt me, and I should not do that.

But they're like, but I'd probably win, right?

I think they're all wrong.

I think they're all wrong.

I do not think the one ring plus 10,000 guys is enough to win.

And the reason I think that is that Sauron is the only person in a position to know the answer to this equation, and he doesn't think it's remotely close.

He is not even a little bit threatened by Aragorn's advance.

He does nothing to harry him as he advanced.

He invites him into the trap.

He's supremely confident that his victory is at hand.

And so I think that Saruman's plans can't work from the get-go because he's fundamentally misassessed how the One Ring will work.

And my guess, actually, we'll get to the Gladden Fields in a second, is because the One Ring remains part of Sauron, I'm not sure it could be used against him.

I think that's a lie that the Ring tells everyone who's ever near it.