Dr. Cal Newport

I do have a smartphone.

Yeah.

Well, here's the thing.

I don't use social media.

So it turns out smartphones aren't that interesting if you don't have any social media apps on it.

Yeah.

What's that like?

So there's nothing – if you have nothing that is engineered to try to grab your attention, the smartphone actually goes back to 2007 Steve Jobs keynote address smartphone, which is this is a really nice phone.

And your music, you can listen to things on it, and the phone interface is really good.

And look, there's a Maps app, and you can look at maps on it.

It's actually a useful piece of technology that you're happy to have, but you don't use it that much.

I try.

Right.

So I try.

I do use text messaging.

I mean this is how like my wife gets in touch with me.

But I'm notorious somewhat among my friends of my – the ability to capture my attention with text message is really hit or miss because I'll go hours without –

looking at my phone.

So it's not this default appendage.

I think for a lot of people, if you know someone, you can basically assume like, look, if I text them, they're going to get right back to me.