Dr. Cal Newport

Like you're going to get Nobel laureates coming from all over the country to come to this place.

And so I was making this argument.

We should think a lot more about thinking.

We should talk more about it.

We should model it exactly the type of things you're talking about.

But we don't.

It's much more content-focused.

But really this should be something more that we get into specifically.

Like this is how you actually use the mind to produce innovative, interesting, high-value new cognitive artifacts.

This is a very hard thing we're asking you to do.

But you can apprentice here because this is what we do and we've mastered and we're going to teach you how to do it.

But we never have that sort of meta conversation, a sort of meta cognition conversation.

I've always thought that'd be important.

I think you'd have much better outcomes if that's part of what you learned at the university was how to take the thing in your head and really put it to work, you know, really extract out of it as capabilities.

No.

Well, I mean they're not old enough yet that it's a real problem.

But they're not going to be happy with me probably soon.

Basically because I'm convinced having spent some time –

Thinking about this, writing about this, doing some journalism on this, talking to a lot of the experts that – like I think where we're going to end up were all the arrows from the relevant social psych research, which I've been following this research since 2017.

2017 is roughly –