Dr. Cal Newport

I'm learning skills and building things.

Now the sort of pseudo construction and collective attention economy of social media, I'll post this and you'll like it.

I'll like this.

I don't need that anymore to fill that void.

So it's like you have to fill the void first.

So five years ago I wrote a book that was about –

reforming this part of your life.

And a lot of the book had nothing to do with technology, but about how to actually just rebuild parts of your life.

And on my podcast, honestly, like one of the big topics we talk about, which is crazy that I'm a technologist and I write about trying to find focus in a distracted world, is this thing we call the deep life.

which is just straight up building a meaningful life 101.

And it's like crazy that my podcast is talking about it.

But on the other hand, it's not because my, it's the podcast people go to when they're fed up with the digital world.

And it turns out if you don't get the analog world working right for you, you need something to avoid staring into that void.

And the digital world will do that well enough.

It's like just good enough to keep life tolerable.

OCD, people use non-clinically as well.

I think a lot of these issues are phone induced, right?

And I think the problem is not solvable as much.

You don't need pills.

You need a different phone relationship.