Dr. Christopher Gardner

My contention here is, so two of my favorite sayings are instead of what and with what. And so the instead of what, we did a study of Beyond Meat versus Red Meat. A bunch of people said, I can't believe you're saying Beyond Meat is healthy. Don't you want them to eat the beans and the lentils and the other things? I said, I sure as hell do.

My contention here is, so two of my favorite sayings are instead of what and with what. And so the instead of what, we did a study of Beyond Meat versus Red Meat. A bunch of people said, I can't believe you're saying Beyond Meat is healthy. Don't you want them to eat the beans and the lentils and the other things? I said, I sure as hell do.

For 30 years, I've been asking the people to eat more beans and lentils, and they're not. They're still having fast food hamburgers. We didn't even use fast food hamburgers. We used like regenerative meat stuff, and we got cardiometabolic benefits. I'm just saying sort of for the average American who has access to the meat that's out there, Beyond Meat is healthier.

For 30 years, I've been asking the people to eat more beans and lentils, and they're not. They're still having fast food hamburgers. We didn't even use fast food hamburgers. We used like regenerative meat stuff, and we got cardiometabolic benefits. I'm just saying sort of for the average American who has access to the meat that's out there, Beyond Meat is healthier.

For 30 years, I've been asking the people to eat more beans and lentils, and they're not. They're still having fast food hamburgers. We didn't even use fast food hamburgers. We used like regenerative meat stuff, and we got cardiometabolic benefits. I'm just saying sort of for the average American who has access to the meat that's out there, Beyond Meat is healthier.

If you had, so again, when I do a study, I have to have a preset number of outcomes and I have to have a defined exposure. So at the same dose, LDL cholesterol went down, TMAO went down, weight went down, blood pressure didn't go up. So here's sort of a funny little sideline. A lot of people were trashing them for being processed foods with high sodium.

If you had, so again, when I do a study, I have to have a preset number of outcomes and I have to have a defined exposure. So at the same dose, LDL cholesterol went down, TMAO went down, weight went down, blood pressure didn't go up. So here's sort of a funny little sideline. A lot of people were trashing them for being processed foods with high sodium.

If you had, so again, when I do a study, I have to have a preset number of outcomes and I have to have a defined exposure. So at the same dose, LDL cholesterol went down, TMAO went down, weight went down, blood pressure didn't go up. So here's sort of a funny little sideline. A lot of people were trashing them for being processed foods with high sodium.

And what we found in this study was when we delivered raw meat and raw ground beef and patties, the participants salted them.

And what we found in this study was when we delivered raw meat and raw ground beef and patties, the participants salted them.

And what we found in this study was when we delivered raw meat and raw ground beef and patties, the participants salted them.

And so when we did it, the sodium was identical and the blood pressure was identical in the two groups in the study. So the sodium comment is fair that they have more sodium than red meat, but when you take this to people that are eating food... They salt it and it ended up being the same level of salt. So it's not a fair criticism of the way people actually eat it.

And so when we did it, the sodium was identical and the blood pressure was identical in the two groups in the study. So the sodium comment is fair that they have more sodium than red meat, but when you take this to people that are eating food... They salt it and it ended up being the same level of salt. So it's not a fair criticism of the way people actually eat it.

And so when we did it, the sodium was identical and the blood pressure was identical in the two groups in the study. So the sodium comment is fair that they have more sodium than red meat, but when you take this to people that are eating food... They salt it and it ended up being the same level of salt. So it's not a fair criticism of the way people actually eat it.

So let's talk about the study, but let me address that up front. So none of those metrics are part of the study. There's no follow-up in the study. No, this was interviews. This always happens.

So let's talk about the study, but let me address that up front. So none of those metrics are part of the study. There's no follow-up in the study. No, this was interviews. This always happens.

So let's talk about the study, but let me address that up front. So none of those metrics are part of the study. There's no follow-up in the study. No, this was interviews. This always happens.

No, but that's anecdotal. So I'll tell you anecdotally.

No, but that's anecdotal. So I'll tell you anecdotally.

No, but that's anecdotal. So I'll tell you anecdotally.