Dr. Christopher Gardner

Okay, that sounds really good. Okay, so we were never pushing the vegan diet as a whole thing. It was just like, this is the study design, we have to do this. So another of their critiques comes from Peter Attia. And this is going to go back to a parking lot item from the beginning of our discussion when we were talking about ultra-processed foods and the need in science to isolate a variable.

Okay, that sounds really good. Okay, so we were never pushing the vegan diet as a whole thing. It was just like, this is the study design, we have to do this. So another of their critiques comes from Peter Attia. And this is going to go back to a parking lot item from the beginning of our discussion when we were talking about ultra-processed foods and the need in science to isolate a variable.

Sure, yeah. Okay, so interestingly... When it came to those ultra processed foods, that was an important point because there's 150 chemicals. And in so many ultra processed foods, they're in combination. So it's really hard to call out one of them or identify one and then put them all together. So you're right. At one level, science needs to be isolationist and reductionist.

Sure, yeah. Okay, so interestingly... When it came to those ultra processed foods, that was an important point because there's 150 chemicals. And in so many ultra processed foods, they're in combination. So it's really hard to call out one of them or identify one and then put them all together. So you're right. At one level, science needs to be isolationist and reductionist.

Sure, yeah. Okay, so interestingly... When it came to those ultra processed foods, that was an important point because there's 150 chemicals. And in so many ultra processed foods, they're in combination. So it's really hard to call out one of them or identify one and then put them all together. So you're right. At one level, science needs to be isolationist and reductionist.

In the nutrition world, we've actually moved from nutrients to foods to food patterns. So one of the things that the Dietary Guidelines for Americans actually did 10 years ago was they said, God, you know, we've been... praising fiber and we've been slamming saturated fat forever. And so if you say, hey, patient of mine, go get fiber and avoid saturated fat. It's like, that's not helpful.

In the nutrition world, we've actually moved from nutrients to foods to food patterns. So one of the things that the Dietary Guidelines for Americans actually did 10 years ago was they said, God, you know, we've been... praising fiber and we've been slamming saturated fat forever. And so if you say, hey, patient of mine, go get fiber and avoid saturated fat. It's like, that's not helpful.

In the nutrition world, we've actually moved from nutrients to foods to food patterns. So one of the things that the Dietary Guidelines for Americans actually did 10 years ago was they said, God, you know, we've been... praising fiber and we've been slamming saturated fat forever. And so if you say, hey, patient of mine, go get fiber and avoid saturated fat. It's like, that's not helpful.

I go to the grocery store to buy food. And they say, ah. okay, go buy avocados and stop buying luncheon meats. Okay, that's a little more helpful.

I go to the grocery store to buy food. And they say, ah. okay, go buy avocados and stop buying luncheon meats. Okay, that's a little more helpful.

I go to the grocery store to buy food. And they say, ah. okay, go buy avocados and stop buying luncheon meats. Okay, that's a little more helpful.

And then what we would find is people heard about the Mediterranean diet, and I'm going to be ridiculous here, but they'd have their Egg McMuffin for breakfast and their Whopper for lunch and a Big Mac for dinner, and by their nightstand they put a little jigger of olive oil, and they chugged that before they went to bed and said, I'm Mediterranean.

And then what we would find is people heard about the Mediterranean diet, and I'm going to be ridiculous here, but they'd have their Egg McMuffin for breakfast and their Whopper for lunch and a Big Mac for dinner, and by their nightstand they put a little jigger of olive oil, and they chugged that before they went to bed and said, I'm Mediterranean.

And then what we would find is people heard about the Mediterranean diet, and I'm going to be ridiculous here, but they'd have their Egg McMuffin for breakfast and their Whopper for lunch and a Big Mac for dinner, and by their nightstand they put a little jigger of olive oil, and they chugged that before they went to bed and said, I'm Mediterranean.

But my point is then they said, ah, so, you know, some people are gaming this sort of identifying a food. Maybe what we need to talk about is patterns. So there's been a shift in the public health community in nutrition about dealing with patterns. So Peter called me out and he said, that vegan study is so stupid. He didn't say so stupid. He said it's violated the principles of science.

But my point is then they said, ah, so, you know, some people are gaming this sort of identifying a food. Maybe what we need to talk about is patterns. So there's been a shift in the public health community in nutrition about dealing with patterns. So Peter called me out and he said, that vegan study is so stupid. He didn't say so stupid. He said it's violated the principles of science.

But my point is then they said, ah, so, you know, some people are gaming this sort of identifying a food. Maybe what we need to talk about is patterns. So there's been a shift in the public health community in nutrition about dealing with patterns. So Peter called me out and he said, that vegan study is so stupid. He didn't say so stupid. He said it's violated the principles of science.

They not only manipulated the saturated fat, they manipulated the fiber. They didn't Isolate this. You have failed the basics of Science 101. The header of the critique for me was that I had compromised Science 101 by failing to isolate a single variable.

They not only manipulated the saturated fat, they manipulated the fiber. They didn't Isolate this. You have failed the basics of Science 101. The header of the critique for me was that I had compromised Science 101 by failing to isolate a single variable.

They not only manipulated the saturated fat, they manipulated the fiber. They didn't Isolate this. You have failed the basics of Science 101. The header of the critique for me was that I had compromised Science 101 by failing to isolate a single variable.