Dr. Ciara Kelly

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or more aligned with me and my values and my way and my sense of humour or whatever it is.

One other thing that is worth mentioning, and it is a challenge for people in this position, you mentioned the friendship group and it kind of messes up the dynamic, it does.

But when the friendship group still exists,

And you're in it.

And they're in it.

But you guys are not.

In it together.

You're now going through intermediaries or something.

You're an arm's length relationship.

That's challenging too.

Do you have to leave the friendship group, do you think?

Or can you navigate it?

Because you might have other valuable friends in there in that mix.

And I recognise that those friendships value you as well.

Yeah, exactly.

You shouldn't just walk off and, as you say, surrender the pitch.

Yeah, no, I wouldn't.

What I'm hearing in all this, because you're talking about long-standing friendships or old friendships, is...

Ireland is small and we all went to school and I think our school friends I mean I'm still friends with my school friends too and I think those friendships persist if you're lucky and last but they have to evolve because you are not the same person you were when you were in like 3B do you know what I mean or whatever it was so