Dr. Ciara Kelly

I don't know how I said it, but about... Far from that in Greystone.

The secondary gain that you give to somebody for being ill because otherwise you're incentivising them to remain ill.

it reverberated out of the radio and Tommy was talking about his uncle saying that about they should die whatever they should burn in hell Tommy was shaking the whole time he was speaking I was very conscious of a kind of a duty of care scenario yeah no yeah yeah he wanted by the way we didn't like persuade him he wanted to come out he was come I don't mean come out come out and speak yeah yeah

But I was very conscious of trying to safety net him.

Can I just say as well about homophobia, there's a very interesting study, you're probably familiar with it, where they, I don't know if we'll get the ethical pass now, but they essentially showed gay porn to men.

And they measured the girth of their penis while they were watching it.

Wait, wait, wait.

Wait, but they had gotten them to express their views on homosexuality before.

And the more homophobic they were, the more aroused they were.

Which shows that homophobia, particularly rampant homophobia,

A bit like what P.D.

Savage said, is often a deflection tactic to deflect from your own desire.

You and I aren't ranting about homosexuals because we aren't threatened by them.

We aren't worried about them.

We aren't...

worried about our own sexuality.

We're not carrying that.

I do think the people... Now, there are some people who are just brought up in a very... Narrow environment.

Narrow environment where they're kind of indoctrinated with prejudice.

But for some people, it's not that.