Dr. Ciara Kelly

Wait, but they had gotten them to express their views on homosexuality before.

And the more homophobic they were, the more aroused they were.

Which shows that homophobia, particularly rampant homophobia,

A bit like what P.D.

Savage said, is often a deflection tactic to deflect from your own desire.

You and I aren't ranting about homosexuals because we aren't threatened by them.

We aren't worried about them.

We aren't...

worried about our own sexuality.

We're not carrying that.

I do think the people... Now, there are some people who are just brought up in a very... Narrow environment.

Narrow environment where they're kind of indoctrinated with prejudice.

But for some people, it's not that.

And I think that's worth bearing in mind.

Yeah, for sure.

If you're on the receiving end of homophobia from somebody thinking, you're probably gay yourself.

For people who are listening to this who go, well, give us some advice.

How do I come out?

I'd like to.

I think baby steps, I think tell one person, a trusted person, tell somebody who you feel the reaction was.