Dr. Ciara Kelly

Can I just say as well about homophobia, there's a very interesting study, you're probably familiar with it, where they, I don't know if we'll get the ethical pass now, but they essentially showed gay porn to men.

And they measured the girth of their penis while they were watching it.

Wait, wait, wait.

Wait, but they had gotten them to express their views on homosexuality before.

And the more homophobic they were, the more aroused they were.

Which shows that homophobia, particularly rampant homophobia,

A bit like what P.D.

Savage said, is often a deflection tactic to deflect from your own desire.

You and I aren't ranting about homosexuals because we aren't threatened by them.

We aren't worried about them.

We aren't...

worried about our own sexuality.

We're not carrying that.

I do think the people... Now, there are some people who are just brought up in a very... Narrow environment.

Narrow environment where they're kind of indoctrinated with prejudice.

But for some people, it's not that.

And I think that's worth bearing in mind.

Yeah, for sure.

If you're on the receiving end of homophobia from somebody thinking, you're probably gay yourself.

For people who are listening to this who go, well, give us some advice.