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Dr. Claire de la Calle

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340 total appearances

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BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

Now, in those patients, it does seem to predict outcomes after active surveillance.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

But I think, like I said,

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

We need to do these studies in more unselected active surveillance patients to understand better what is the role.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

And then we also need to do modeling studies where we add these genomic classifiers to our complex clinical models that include all the information we already have, and especially crib reform.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

and introductory because there are a lot of people out there that think that maybe these genomic classifiers are essentially just capturing that.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

So if these tests are obviously very expensive or if they don't have added value over what we already know, then that doesn't argue to using them.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

Now, in actual practice, and even in my practice, I have to recognize I use these classifiers and I do notice that they change management.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

I have certainly seen patients with

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

Great group two disease, small volume pattern four, and a really, really high decipher score.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

How can one ignore that?

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

It makes me really wonder if the underlying biology of the cancer is much worse at the molecular level compared to what is visible on H and E. So do I use them?

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

Yes.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

How much they should be used?

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

We still need to answer that.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

I also, I do like to stress to the patient that these genomic classifiers are only based on one biopsy core.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

And we don't even know which biopsy core to use.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

Maybe it's the targeted biopsy core, but maybe not.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

And we know that prostate cancer is very heterogeneous within a single prostate and even within a single tumor.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

And it would be, I think, too expensive to basically do the testing on every single core.

BackTable Urology
Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

Oftentimes, you don't even have enough cancer in every single core to do that.