Dr. Cliff Redford

Apparently, there's a million people.

Uh, like stray cats or community cats, they call them, um, in the province of Quebec, there's about a hundred thousand in Toronto alone.

Um, should the government help finance this?

Yeah, and I mean, like, in Toronto, they've got the Toronto Animal Services.

Yeah.

So they have sort of a department.

As long as they don't try and organize it themselves, governments need to, like, get experts to do it.

But so...

There's a big argument regarding whether or not this is the best idea, though, is actually trapping them, neutering them or spaying them and then releasing them again versus finding them a home.

And they basically said that the TNR program is the only humane, evidence-based, effective method to control outdoor cat populations.

That makes sense.

Yeah, exactly.

And if you take a feral cat, you know, one that just does not do well with others, with people, and you bring it to the shelter, the shelter is going to spend time and money, resources to try and rehabilitate this cat.

And the cat is never going to be fully happy.

But even the ones that would make good pets,

pets the argument is is it's better as a whole to return them to their little cat colony and the issue is is if you it's like all those 80s cop shows or even current cop shows where the leader of a gang gets arrested and now there's a power vacuum if you take away a bunch of these cats from these colonies and find them homes and maybe they're very happy at home but they were happy outside as well

other cats from neighboring gangs.

The sharks and the jets are going to start taking over.

They're going to do raids and gang wars, and they're going to fill that vacuum.

So you're not actually controlling the population at all.