Dr. Cliff Redford

So complicated.

They are highly intelligent.

They have this complicated social hierarchy and social structure.

They need so much more stimulation than being in this enclosure, this concrete enclosure.

I am sure some of the bullying is occurring from these other monkeys because they do not feel fulfilled in their life.

There are other sanctuaries and there are zoos that are not basically circus sideshows where thousands of people over the course of a couple of days are going to the zoo now to take photos of Punch and being cute with this little cuddly toy that he has.

So it kind of opens up other questions, but sometimes I am a poop disturber and a party pooper.

But that's what I sort of thought of when I heard about this story.

And I just hope that Punch continues to make friends.

And, you know, maybe it'll start opening up the conversation regarding how we treat these animals and how we can make lives better for them.

Well, that pacing, yeah, that pacing is a sign of what's called captivity psychosis.

And they're basically going, they're going crazy.

I had that in my last marriage.

Yeah, so did every husband that I've done.

Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of problems and we could have a conversation that probably would not end up being aired on this wonderful radio slash podcast show that you have.

So we'll just talk about it in the off time.

But be kind to animals.

That's basically be kind to animals.

But it's not a bad... It's not a bad... It's an easy, like, well, what about the children?

It's an easy thing that no one can say, no, you know what?