Dr. Coltan Scrivner

And I remember that his interviews in prison were maybe one of the first things I asked, you know, I watched it on YouTube, like before true crime was really big on streaming platforms or anything.

And I'm not a, I'm not a huge true crime snob.

I haven't watched every documentary out there.

So I'm sure there's others, but Richard Kuklinski was, uh,

Maybe one of the most interesting ones I watched him was one of the first because he is so he embodies what we envision as a psychopath.

If you've ever seen No Country for Old Men, Anton Chigurh, he's kind of he's like Anton Chigurh in real life.

I mean, he is so.

Just flat with his affect, he has no there's no emotion, it's almost like there's nothing behind him when he's talking and he'll talk about, you know, these horrible crimes he did as a mafia hit man.

And it's like, it just doesn't affect him at all.

And it's, it's crazy to watch because he's not really, he's not erratic or anything.

He's very cool, calm and collected.

And it was just like his, my, it was his job.

Right.

And I've always found that fascinating because that's,

kind of the opposite of even some of the more, I would say, planned serial, planning type serial killers.

Like Ted Bundy, for example, he would kind of plan his crimes to some extent, but he also committed some crimes of passion in the middle of it.

That's what got him got caught, right?

So how he got caught was because he sort of lost control.

And Richard Klinsky comes across as the kind of person who never lost control.

I mean, he was always just very,