Dr. Daniel Bober

I agree, Nancy.

It's on a whole different level.

But like your previous guest said, those text messages are going to be valuable because with text messages, unlike with vocal communication,

You know, there is going to be the amount of texting, the words that were actually used.

And, you know, people that are familiar with her are going to know the way that she communicates.

And so there's, I think, a treasure trove of information potentially there in those text messages.

Yeah, I mean, Nancy, a lot of this stuff is not this positive, but it's certainly very suspicious.

I mean, he's sort of reluctantly cooperating and sort of has to be dragged to do it.

So that's definitely concerning.

and it seems like he definitely has something to hide, although, again, it's not dispositive.

Exactly.

True psychopathy, Nancy.

Zero remorse, zero empathy, zero connection with other human beings.

But Crystal Lee is very interesting because she's claiming to be this clueless, hapless victim that was unwittingly led down the path.

And clearly she's complicit.

Clearly she's involved.

She lied.

She tried to conceal evidence.

She tampered with the scene.

And I think she's truly responsible.