Dr. Darryl Stickel

I was back to struggling with fatigue and memory and concentration problems.

And, um, and so I ended up starting my own little company called trust unlimited.

Yeah.

And for the last 20 plus years, I've been helping individuals and organizations better understand what trust is, how it works and how to build it.

And I've, I've been learning that whole time, Nick, right.

You know, from helping financial services organizations to helping nonprofits to, uh,

helping the Canadian military try to figure out how to build trust with the locals in Afghanistan.

Each of those teaches me something, which is what helps differentiate me, right?

It's a very practical applied approach to what feels like a complex problem.

For me, trust is a combination of uncertainty and vulnerability.

The definition that I use is that trust is the willingness to be vulnerable when we can't completely predict how someone else is going to behave.

For me, it means...

uncertainty times vulnerability gives us a level of perceived risk.

And we each have a threshold of risk that we can tolerate.

And if we go beyond that threshold, we don't trust for beneath it than we do.

And what that means then, Mick, is that if uncertainty is really high, vulnerability has to be pretty low.

And as our relationships deepen, the uncertainty comes down, the range of vulnerability we can tolerate starts to grow.

What we're seeing right now is that our vulnerability is fairly set, but uncertainty is bouncing all over the place.

And so you and I connect and you're already experiencing discomfort with how volatile the world is.

And I ask you to make yourself just a little bit more vulnerable for me.